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multiplydivide
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Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 2:38 am Post subject:
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I've played guitar for nearly 8 years now but more recently have been interested in more electronic music or the music i liked before but in the synth parts of songs instead of the guitar parts. I have around £240 which i think is about the equivalent of $500 to spend on a synth . I've been looking at the alesis micron and the microkorg, at the moment im leaning towards the micron, even though it apparently the microkorg has a better vocoder. But on most the posts i've read people have said the micron gives a better sound.
I was also wondering whether for someone who knows next to nothing about synths i would be better of buying one and learning as i go, or learning about them and then buying one. Bearing in mind i have a really old computer so i don't know that programs like Reason would work and i have audacity but have no idea how to use it. I've read another post which has been really useful, it had a glossary of most of the terms but i was wondering more specifically about the micron and the microkorg. Any help would be appreciated. |
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Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 4:42 am Post subject:
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Hi multiplydivide!
to electro-music.com!
I don't want to come down on you like a really big tonne of bricks here, or a 500-ton weight ala Monty Python... ( ) but have you tried googling this question, as it tends to come up a lot.
Here are some starters;
http://electro-music.com/forum/post-87248.html
http://electro-music.com/forum/topic-16394.html
All these things 'boil down' to opinions. Synths are a much of a muchness imo. They all make sound. Sometimes that becomes an obsession- as you can see here on em.com
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Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 4:46 am Post subject:
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| v-un-v wrote: | | a 500-ton weight ala Monty Python... |
500-ton!
And you call yourself a brit!
Get your Monty Python trivia right!
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Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 4:51 am Post subject:
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Ah but 500 ton has more 'squish factor'!  _________________ ACHTUNG!
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Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 4:53 am Post subject:
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The "problem" with many budget synths like the micron ( which is actually pretty cool ), the microkorg and others is that they have a very limited number of knobs and stuff and the user interface rarely reflects in an intuitive way common parameters as well as the synth engine inside. If you want to truly learn "synths" then you will be better off with an interface like what you find on the SH201, the MS2000, possibly the Radias and similar.
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Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 4:55 am Post subject:
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| v-un-v wrote: | Ah but 500 ton has more 'squish factor'!  |
Right, but what is more useful to a modern european? An instant 500-ton flattener .. with squish.. .. or a 16-ton splattener that will leave at least some parts recognizable? _________________ A Charity Pantomime in aid of Paranoid Schizophrenics descended into chaos yesterday when someone shouted, "He's behind you!"
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Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 5:23 am Post subject:
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Well the problem with recognisable parts is that then you instantly have a new dilemma where those parts now need identifying. Extra squishiness cuts down on the unnecessary extra paperwork. Paperwork is a growing concern in this country at present. _________________ ACHTUNG!
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Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 5:24 am Post subject:
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personally I'd go for a secondhand Nord Micromodular. _________________ ACHTUNG!
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Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 6:10 am Post subject:
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| v-un-v wrote: | | Paperwork is a growing concern in this country at present. |
But.. wouldn´t England perish without the red tape?  _________________ A Charity Pantomime in aid of Paranoid Schizophrenics descended into chaos yesterday when someone shouted, "He's behind you!"
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multiplydivide
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Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 7:16 am Post subject:
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yeah i googled it when i first thought about getting a synth i was looking at the alesis micron and whatever forum i went on someone always seemed to mention the microkorg when someone was thinking of buying the micron. But thanks for the links i don't think i had read the second one before. A lot of people seem to suggest the radias which i think i might have already had a go on, unless it was the R3? Either way i don't think i could stretch more than £300.
Also the Nord Micromodular is (prepare for a badly worded sentence) not a keyboard synth and i was looking for a keyboard synth.
The other problem i had was although i can get either of them off the internet for about the same price i have yet to find a shop in Birmingham which sells the micron so i can test it before i think of buying it, im pretty sure they sell the microkorg in Sound Control even though when we went in they only had the R3/Radias. I was also wondering which would be best for the type of music i would want to play. (yet another badly worded sentence) You couldn't really shove them all into one genre so i I suppose listing a few bands i like is the best way to show what music i want to play.
Moby
Daft Punk
Metric
Tokyo Police Club
Mylo
Architecture in Helsinki
Kraftwerk
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Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 7:53 am Post subject:
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FUCK!! Your're in Brum???!!!
where?? _________________ ACHTUNG!
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Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 7:54 am Post subject:
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Maybe Fuck is too harsh a word??  _________________ ACHTUNG!
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multiplydivide
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Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 8:04 am Post subject:
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yeah kings heath |
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Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 8:07 am Post subject:
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| multiplydivide wrote: | yeah kings heath |
Up the road.
I'm in Balsall Heath- bottom of Ladypool Road  _________________ ACHTUNG!
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Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 8:10 am Post subject:
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| elektro80 wrote: | | v-un-v wrote: | | Paperwork is a growing concern in this country at present. |
But.. wouldn´t England perish without the red tape?  |
Good point. Its excess flab would flow out on all sides and devour continental europe  _________________ ACHTUNG!
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Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 8:20 am Post subject:
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thats pretty close, i thought most people on here were american?
Ladypool road, i think i can picture it although for some reason i always get stratford road and ladypool road mixed up. Ladypool road is the one that Stoney Lane runs off?
And... do you know any good shops for synths other than sound control and fairdeal, there is a new music shop opening in Moseley but i think its just a guitar shop. |
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Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 8:40 am Post subject:
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Well EM.com is an American site- so that kind of figures
But many of the good people here are from around the world and elsewhere (or should that be the other way round? )
Go and see Paul, Nic, Chad or Chris at Digital Village in St Paul's Square, Hockley. They love their 'toys'
Sound Control are, well, wankers to put it politely. _________________ ACHTUNG!
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Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 8:42 am Post subject:
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| multiplydivide wrote: | Ladypool road is the one that Stoney Lane runs off?
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hehe.
yep you're confusing it. Ladypool runs parallel with Stoney. Stratford road is almost at the end of Stoney. _________________ ACHTUNG!
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Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 8:50 am Post subject:
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i thought the same about fairdeal music, and i've only ever really talked to people in the guitar section of sound control but they were pretty wanker-ish.
and St Pauls Square, the one with the church and the actress and bishop is there or am i getting confused again? |
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Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 8:57 am Post subject:
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Grant, Jim and Mike who work in the web site bit of unFairDeal are really nice geezers but downstairs, yes I think the same. I never go in there. _________________ ACHTUNG!
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St Paul's square has a church in the middle of it, yes. (and a lot of conker trees )
Look it up on the web  _________________ ACHTUNG!
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Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 9:07 am Post subject:
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| i checked on google maps, it looks like i've got the right one, there can only be one saint pauls square next to the bt tower. Thanks, i'll go in sometime next Week. |
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