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PostPosted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 3:02 pm    Post subject: Apple's 'magical' iPhone unveiled Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

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Apple has confirmed its move into the telecoms industry, unveiling the long-awaited iPhone.

Users will be able to download music and videos with the phone, demonstrated by Apple boss Steve Jobs at the annual Macworld Expo in San Francisco.

Mr Jobs praised the phone's design and told the audience the "magical device" would "revolutionise the industry".

The phone, which will cost from $499 (£257) to $599, will be launched in the US in June and Europe later this year.

Apple is not yet saying how much the iPhone will cost in the UK, but using the comparison of a Mac mini computer the 4 gigabyte (GB) model would be about £335.

Also revealed at the Macworld Expo was Apple TV, a device to stream music and movies from a computer to the living room.


Perhaps a new Palm-like device? At £335, It better be good!

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 3:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Wow, a phone that plays music and videos. Apple just keeps on innovating Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 3:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

no I don't think that's the real innovation here. It's the way you interact with it, and the fact that it runs OSX.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 11:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

arrow http://www.apple.com/iphone/
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 7:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Dammit! I said I wanted a scroll-wheel rotary dialer! Mad
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 9:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I think it is pretty cool. The innovative thing about it is the large touch screen.

Anyone notice that Apple changed their name from Apple Computers to Apple Inc. Question

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 12:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

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Anyone notice that Apple changed their name from Apple Computers to Apple Inc. Question


Yes, I heard that on NPR this morning. They're really going balls-to-the-wall on their stockpile of new gadgetry. Shocked

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 2:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Re: 'magical' -- Wasn't it Arthur C. Clarke who said "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic?"

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 6:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

dewdrop_world wrote:
Re: 'magical' -- Wasn't it Arthur C. Clarke who said "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic?"

James


Niven has his own version of this:
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Any sufficiently advanced magic is indistinguishable from technology.


Asimov decided on this amusing version:
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If technology is distinguishable from magic, it is insufficiently advanced.

Nah, this is not one of the original Asimov Foundation books. Shocked
Eeeek, I have a non-Asimov Foundation novel Shocked Shocked Shocked
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 11, 2007 2:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Hi Guys,

Doesn't look that magical to me. I have been useing SmartPhones for years with touchscreens running on Symbian and Windows mobile. This looks about the same to me!

Only 5 hours talktime is pretty low as well.

I does look nice though Smile

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 11, 2007 3:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

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I have been useing SmartPhones for years with touchscreens running on Symbian and Windows mobile. This looks about the same to me!


Well yeah- I know where you are coming from, I too have been using Palm devices, which already offer 'buttons' on the touch screen. However these devices still use those crappy keyboards- and the built in screen keyboard on models such as the Palm T3 have lots of buttons I never use, and even then, the buttons are so small, you still have to work with a stylus. So to have programmer assignable buttons on a touch screen is a step in the right direction imo.

What I think is really interesting though is how the iPhone will translate into further interface products which do away with a mouse or trackpad altogether Idea
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What I think is really interesting though is how the iPhone will translate into further interface products which do away with a mouse or trackpad altogether Idea


Don't forget about voice recognition, either. My uncle was so impressed with his hands-free cell phone with voice recognition and talk/listen via the car stereo that he shows EVERYONE who sits in his car. Rolling Eyes

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 11, 2007 11:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

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Don't forget about voice recognition, either.


It's strange that Apple can't get their shit together over voice recognition. It really should be built into OSX, and it really should work properly. Dragonsoft Natural Speaking on PC is very good- but the main problem with voice recognition is background noise.

Could this be the answer? Imagine driving a car with that at the controls? Shocked
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Could this be the answer? Imagine driving a car with that at the controls? Shocked


Oh yeah, I've seen this before. It was pretty freaky. But if guys were driving with it, they'd accidentally run over hot female pedestrians all the time!

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why not hot female car drivers Question
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Oh yeah, I've seen this before. It was pretty freaky. But if guys were driving with it, they'd accidentally run over hot female pedestrians all the time!


Laughing

I was going to write that- but was trying to be a little p.c. Wink
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I had remembered an old skit from MTV's The State, I think, about a guy who always had dotted lines projected out of his eyes. All the women would know where he was staring at them. Shocked
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 9:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

If you are going to go around looking like this then the only chicks you are going to get are the ones you run over. Very Happy

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 1:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

VunV, BobTheDog, about that Windows CE (I think?) Symbian and now OSX stuff; can you get a actual comand line on any of those phones? It's all good and well that it says "linux" or "OSX" and that's cool in a way but then I imagine you'd like to run stuff. I think people got a version of PD to run on Ipods, it'd be much better to be able to run stuff like that on a phone, after all phones have much more elaborate interfaces and all. So, erm, can we?
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 12:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

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...now OSX stuff; can you get a actual comand line on any of those phones? It's all good and well that it says "linux" or "OSX" and that's cool in a way but then I imagine you'd like to run stuff. I think people got a version of PD to run on Ipods, it'd be much better to be able to run stuff like that on a phone, after all phones have much more elaborate interfaces and all. So, erm, can we?


nope.. The OS is a scaled down affair residing on a flash ram thingie.

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The latest details of the iPhone's hardware and software platforms include an embedded RISC (most likely ARM/Xscale or perhaps a Motorola 400-series PowerPC) CPU, stripped-down "OS X" (note the lack of the word "Mac") operating system weighing in at just under 400 megabytes, relatively potent graphics hardware for playback of high-quality H.264 video and playing some remarkable games that will start coming out for iPhone & the next-generation iPod very soon.

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nope.. The OS is a scaled down affair residing on a flash ram thingie.


I just saw it's not even based on Darwin. I don't see how it's OSX in that case. Anyway, it's kinda moot since Jobn's said it can't run third party applications anyway.

I think OSX relates to Apple like the 808/909/303 relate to Roland. Sure they made it and they are trying to sell other products based on it's fame but they are entirely clueless with regard to what's good about it.

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nope.. The OS is a scaled down affair residing on a flash ram thingie.


I just saw it's not even based on Darwin. I don't see how it's OSX in that case. Anyway, it's kinda moot since Job's said it can't run third party applications anyway.

I think OSX relates to Apple like the 808/909/303 relate to Roland. Sure they made it and they are trying to sell other products based on it's fame but they are entirely clueless with regard to what's good about it.


It is OS X. There is no reason to doubt this. It will even run widget software ( slightly modified ) written for the plain Mac OS X platform. The iPhone is however an appliance, it sorta makes sense that Apple at the moment aren´t thinking of opening this appliance and turn it into a computing platform. Keep in mind that certain of those MS Windows ( ME or whatever ) based appliances out there are damned close to say having a pair of exploding shoes.

I guess you must keep the appliance concept in mind, because it is too easy to think Newton/handheld computer when you see the iPhone. The iPhone is a phone with an iPod thrown in.. and the other stuff is more or less what most cool phones have already. There are certain "new" ideas here, like the WLAN connectivity.. but in this case this is a "what you see is what you get" appliance. The main point is if it is a good phone or not.
We have had similar discussion re the G2. The only reason to buy a G2 is for what it is, and not for what it isn´t. Shocked Shocking.. I know..

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So; It's just a appliance now; a branded appliance that will cost more, like a "Nike" branded phone would also cost more. I suppose me hoping OSX on a phone meant running software is like expecting to run faster after buying a Nike branded phone?
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So; It's just a appliance now; a branded appliance that will cost more, like a "Nike" branded phone would also cost more. I suppose me hoping OSX on a phone meant running software is like expecting to run faster after buying a Nike branded phone?


Well sort of- but it's early days. I think the iphone is still in development and Apple had to announce it prematurely because of the amount of speculation it was already generating, worldwide.

I reckon 3rd party development will come about eventually, but development will have to be approved by Apple- although this is the case for most other smartphones anyway.
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