Will I be able to create these sounds with a NM ?

abducted · Joined: Nov 05, 2005 Posts: 6 Location: france

hi !

I'm a NM newbie.
I have the oppurtunity of buyin one but I
need it for specific sounds...
Can you listen to theses sounds please :

http://www.soundclick.com/bands/pagemusic.cfm?bandID=430405

and tell me if it is possible to recreate them
with the NM ?

I need a patch king who could program them !
Thanks

Blue Hell · Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2005 6:52 pm Post subject:

Can't listen right now to the link you posted, but just wanted to say hi & welcome.

That, and a question, are you maybe going to buy an NM Classic or will it be a G2 ? These are somewhat different in character and certain things go easier on the one while others go easier on the other.

mosc · Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2005 9:01 pm Post subject:

Those sounds would be very simple with either a NM or a G2, IMHO.

I suggest you download the free G2 demo from the Clavia website. It will give you an idea of what's possible. You can even play some of the patches posted here on electro-music.com. In fact, the demo may be all you need. In any case, you'll see if this is attractive to you.

abducted · Joined: Nov 05, 2005 Posts: 6 Location: france

thanks for your welcome.
I was talking about a nord modular classic.
I've heard demos on the clavia site, but
they did not convince me...
By the way, what do you think is a fair
price for it ? It's almost 10 years old so
is it still a good buy or are there much better
stuff right now ?
The fact that it's only 4 part multitimbral
is a problem.
And about the sounds I posted on soundclick :
is it possible to guess what synths generated them ?
they were created around 1982 ...

ian-s · Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 1:35 am Post subject:

Axiom · Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 1:40 am Post subject:

I've heard the demos and are very simple to do with almost all virtual analog synths on the market. The NM can do that and very much more. The first synth strings pad seems a Roland machine to me. The two bass lines are so common that can be everything, but I bet a dollar on a SCI Pro-One. The last organ-like sound can be done with a minimoog without so much problems. I've made a similar sound, more clicky, using a Nord Lead schema on my Modular.

My 2 cents,
Luca

Tim Kleinert · Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 2:34 am Post subject:

The basses and pads sound very rolandy. In fact, if all sounds come from the same box, I'd guess Jupiter8.

I don't know about the NM1, but making that stuff on the G2 would be easy. It all sounds "tapey", as Ian said, so using Robs spectrum tilter and some subtle saturation would already go a long way.

abducted · Joined: Nov 05, 2005 Posts: 6 Location: france

thanks for all your replies, they are very interesting.
All these sounds are from old mix tapes, recorded from
unidentified source.
I've tried very hard to emulate these sounds on
Reason but I failed in every way !
All I could do was crap ... I really don't understand
how to do it. Looking at the basslines closely in cool edit,
I found out that the waveforms are really weird.
Not saw or square, but probably pulse modulated oscillators...
But how ?

Oh, by the way, I've added new sounds so you can listen
to them if you wish !
Thanks for your time.

Tim Kleinert · Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 5:52 am Post subject:

mosc · Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 6:33 am Post subject:

I've seen lots of discussion here on the forum by people trying to emulate some particular sounds they like. Ususally these are novice sound designers who think emulating some sounds is the way to master synthesis. IMHO, this can lead to frustration. Make patches and explore the sounds - see where they go when you fiddle with them. With experience you'll master your own palette.

I hardly ever use an osciloscope to study sound. Sounds change constantly, unless they are very boring ones. Sure, these instruments have their uses, but waveforms are not nearly as significant as you might think.

Most of the characteristis of the sounds you are looking at are by their envelopes, filters, and other processing.

Axiom · Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 7:31 am Post subject:

mmm I agree partially with you, Howard. Emulation (or reverse eginering) can be very educative. I've spent a lot of time studying both synthesis and doing reversing. Studying how real synthesizer works, their sound flow, how they process sounds and, yes, trying to replicate them. The "bad" side (and now I agree totally) is that this attitude can lead you to don't care about experimentition and sound exploration.

Just my 2 cents Smile

Luca

p.s.:
"sound 12" seems to be the moroder's bass line of "I feel love". This is made with a moog modular Razz