ravel
aphex
dockstader
merzbow (like rain on a summer night)
percy grainger
jaco
squarepusher
MAHLER!!!
shostakovich
yasuano (spelling) tone
venetian snares
little beaver
autechre
xenakis
poulenc (oh hell yez)
mozart....................the list goes on and on _________________ The crime of humanity is signature foul play
Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2007 8:54 am Post subject:
What is so great about Autechre??? Subject description: demanding an explanation
I saw Autechre live two years ago in NYC, it was the worst concert i have ever assisted in my entire life.... I felt sorry for those two guys and for the stupid audience celebrating the horrible show, my wife and i thought the celebration was fake, it just could not be.
i have 45 years old and i saw a lot of good crazy shit in my life, i saw a lot of crazy avant garde performance, dance, music, minimalism, i saw concerts of mucisians playng the same note for about an hour and making it with style and sense of expression, but Autechre man..... what a pissfull shame..! there's no even a square milimiter of art in they false and pretentious work....
The two guys were dealing with enormous machinery that did not resemble rack shit or nothing like that, so i don't really know what instruments, software or whatever they were playing. Anyways, the noise they were doing was shamefully boring, senseless and finally annoying.I saw working men in the streets making unconsiously much more interesting noise, beats and texture that Autechre, the elevators in South America makes much more musical noise than Autechre.
They don't even sound like amateurs because amateurs has a clear intention, at least.
So that was my first experience with Autechre.
I was very piss off i wanted my money back, i paid 35 dollars at the Webstern Hall to see Autechre. Their lack of imagination, style, musicality, and presence on stage was notorious, they look like two technician trying to fix a revel fuse in a very dark cellar or oily cabin.
I saw a lot of ambient concerts in my life. i saw Tangerine Dream, Robin Guthrie, Robert Fripp; I make ambient music myself, but Autechre is nothing, nothing at all; then a week later i bought the album with the picture of the dunes in the cover( a very beautiful art cover) i don't remember the name of that album, but i remember it was so awful as the concert.
What's so wonderful about Autechre?, i mean, i'm really irritated about this because i don't think it is a good band or duo at all, i think they don't know what are they doing; their music or noise seems not intelligent, aestetic or well composed at all, so i don't know how in the hell this two guys became so famous doing that crappy noise and so prestigious into the avant gard field or modern music today.
I feel myself Mozart compared to this two guys. Last edited by Olsen on Sun Apr 08, 2007 9:27 am; edited 1 time in total
Good point Blue Hell, good point....
The secret of success don't lies in creating good stuff after all.
But why Autechere is in the list of favorites composers of Digiton?, does he really like'm?
Please Digiton, tell me what's so fabulous about Autechre......
well, personal taste differs.
i think that their use of sound is very interesting. I for one am not USUALLY huge fan of repetitive looped music, so the form of there songs can be a little bland to me (as with i have to admit with aphex and most "IDM" [reich and terry riley are two composers whose minimal repetition i do like though).
but as i said the sounds they come up with i love, i don't know if you listen to my music but it is all about what sounds the computer can come up without any kind of field recording, just digital synthesis (and i know they use samples, but alot of their music is very digital sounding)
Have you heard Tri Repetae? I think there is alot to like in that album. Melodic ideas are pretty basic but good, nice strong rythmic stuff......
I will admit nothing they have done recently strikes me. Anyway hope that clarified stuff, although i find it strange you wondered if i "actually" liked them. Why else would i list them here?
PS i NEVER except much from electronica acts live.....its always a surprise if it is truly engaging. I usually just go to hear some good tracks on a big PA system.......and to see my favorite musicians in person
and finally, i couldn't really make out your last sentence but i think you were surprised i was comparing mozart to these "two guys". I'm not, he's just another composer i like. _________________ The crime of humanity is signature foul play
In no partuclar order of preference, and with no claim to being compleat:
Joe Zawinul
Ludwig van Beethoven
Bedrich Smetana
Heitor Villa Lobos
Igor Stravinsky
Paul Mc Cartney
Prince
George Gershwin
Claude Debussy
Pat Metheny
Willie Dixon
George Carlin
Randy Newman
Ken Hensley
Evard Grieg
Jean Sibelius
Stevie Wonder
Milton Nascimento
and so on and so forth _________________ Where there are too many policemen, there is no liberty. Where there are too many soldiers, there is no peace. Where there are too many lawyers, there is no justice.
Lin Yutang (1895-1976)
Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2007 4:15 pm Post subject:
Favorites. em:t records
Let's leave Autechre for a while and let's talk about real electronic musicians:
I don't know well their names but those musicians from the british record label em:t they are amazing. There's one guy called Woob, he has an album called Emperor, all ambient stuff, simply incredible; the other guys, one called carl stone, other david Toop, international peoples gang, mendocino; the albums are all mostly photos of frogs, thei are great and they sell in ebay (only) for bunch of money, Emperor is around 200 dollars by instance, Miasma 175.00 but this music is really my favorite one this days.
Any one knows what i'm talking about?
This compilation albums includes the best electronica/ambient composers, check em out.
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Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2007 4:47 pm Post subject:
Let's remember the values of this site; foremost among them are respect and support. Trashing another musician, even if they are famous and you think it is valid, is not appropriate. So, let's refrain from that.
I certainly don't know all of Autechre's work, but I've heard some outstanding recordings of theirs.
Olsen, your composition, SweetLoud, posted on this topic, is first rate. I like it quite a bit. _________________ --Howard
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Thank you Mosc and i sorry was not my intention to dismiss Autechre; i just had an awful eperience in one of their concerts and then i bought an album of them that very week two or three days after the concert because those guys has such a good reputation into the electronica field but the album disapoint me as well; still if some one here can recommend me a tittle of their best recordings i still would like to try, i'm very curious about them and inquiring other musicians is a way to inquire myself. We all have some times bad gigs and maybe that was not a good day for Autechre live and the album i bought, i don't remember the name but the art cover was so beautiful all the oposite of its content.
Back to the subject, i like Aphex Twin a lot and i found this musician called WHILE in the same style and so good, he has a couple of excellent albums.
There's some info about him if you google him.
Peace for all. Cheers.
still if some one here can recommend me a tittle of their [autechre] best recordings i still would like to try
It's funny, there seem to be lovers and haters and I seem to be one of the few who doesn't know.
People have been telling me I should listen, and I'm sure I should, but never got to it. I went into the amazon site today as I thought there might be be some samples. Indeed there were, but all of the < 10 s intro kind, so I can't really tell ... all the teasers I heard were sort of ok, but I've heard (too) many things the last few years that had an interesting intro to just go on like (boom boom boom tssk) * and nothing happening anymore.
Anyway, I'd like to try as well, I'm in a buying mood (like as in: good for economy)
Howard was right, interesting track you made
... maybe there are some sites with longer samples ? _________________ Jan
You know, i must be one of those crazy ones that buy albums just because of the art cover, but i've discovered a lot of good stuff in that way; there's two guys here in Brooklyn by instance, they opened their own record label, is called "apestaartje" i sent some of my recordings to them while ago and i still do that once in a while, never an answer but anyway, i started buying their albums because of the cool covers they have and they are mostly very good ambient stuff, field recordings and electroacoustic weird compositions.verry good.
I was working a lot recently in the content of two albums, finished the art cover today of "Radio Valhalla" ; the other still untitled i'm still mixing and mastering it; i like to do the whole process, is chipper that way and i can have the ilusion of having everything under control. Sometimes, maybe months or years later when i listen at the recordings i find clicks or pops or other mistakes in the recordings so i can correct 'em and reprint the copies, but usually i make no more than 100 copies of each album, i like to think that there's 99 owners around the globe (i keep always one for me) so i always write a number of print hiden somewhere in the cover or in the cd.
Here's a piece of "Radio Valhalla", it is called "Betty" and it was composed and recorded during the days that Betty, my mother in law was in the hospital for desintoxication of certain wrong medication she was taken, she is 90 and when i listen this piece i really can see her walking around, carring her 90's. She can barely hear my music and much less puting it together... but she's the muse this time. Hope you guys like it.
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Posted: Sat May 05, 2007 7:49 pm Post subject:
It is always tough to list favorites, but I am a big fan of:
Erik Satie
Gustav Holst
Phillip Glass
Steve Reich
John Adams
Laurie Anderson
David Van Tiegham
David Byrne (both pop and more "serious" compositions.) _________________ Gary Blanchard
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Oskar
my list would look very similar to yours. I would include A.C.Jobim and Bela Bartok too
God, yes! That's why I included the disclaimer saying the list isn't compleat! I forgot Leadbelly and Bruce Springsteen as well! Btw, did anyone notice that I included George Carlin, the standup comedian? I heard an interview with him, conducted by Jon Stewart, where they discuss the similarities between his standup act and musical composition, specifically his treatment of themes and phrases. Made sense to me... _________________ Where there are too many policemen, there is no liberty. Where there are too many soldiers, there is no peace. Where there are too many lawyers, there is no justice.
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Posted: Sun May 06, 2007 8:07 am Post subject:
Comedy and music seem to run together. Charlie Chaplin not only was a brilliant comedian, but a composer as well. He actually won an Oscar for the best musical score in a movie. Jackie Gleason was a composer too. _________________ --Howard
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Posted: Sun May 06, 2007 8:52 am Post subject:
Blue Hell wrote:
Gary.
I should try to find out a bit about the the non-pop music by David Byrne I guess. Have you got any recommendations, or sites ?
One work that comes to mind is "The Forest" which was written for a multi-media program. Also his work for "The Catherine Wheel" for the Twyla Tharpe dance group and "Music for the Knee Plays" staged by Bob Wilson from his "Civil Wars" series. (Philip Glass also wrote some sections of music for "Civil Wars".) Speaking of Philip Glass, David Byrne also wrote lyrics for one selection on Philip Glass' "Songs From Liquid Days" CD.
I'm not sure how much of this is available now; it was out in the 1980's. I find it interesting that David Byrne's expansion into various musical styles coincided with his fall from grace as a media darling. Starting with reviews of "The Forest", some of the same critics and writers who raved about him began to be condescending toward him. I felt this was his best period of artistry. _________________ Gary Blanchard
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Posted: Sun May 06, 2007 11:39 am Post subject:
Ooh, can I play, too?
Peter Gabriel
Genesis (with Peter Gabriel, and yes I know this is a band and not a composer, but their music was complex enough to call them compositions rather than songs, IMO)
Claude Debussy
Colosseum (ditto what I said about Genesis)
Philip Glass
Philip Glass
Philip Glass
Philip Glass
Philip Glass
Alan Hovhaness
Trey Gunn (a jazz-fusion guy)
Mike Oldfield did some cool stuff
Has anyone here ever heard of Ian Tescee?
(And yes, the repeated Philip Glass's are a silly attempt at a joke.) _________________ Darren Landrum
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Posted: Sun May 06, 2007 12:43 pm Post subject:
Gary Blanchard wrote:
Blue Hell wrote:
Gary.
I should try to find out a bit about the the non-pop music by David Byrne I guess. Have you got any recommendations, or sites ?
One work that comes to mind is "The Forest" which was written for a multi-media program. Also his work for "The Catherine Wheel" for the Twyla Tharpe dance group and "Music for the Knee Plays" staged by Bob Wilson from his "Civil Wars" series. (Philip Glass also wrote some sections of music for "Civil Wars".) Speaking of Philip Glass, David Byrne also wrote lyrics for one selection on Philip Glass' "Songs From Liquid Days" CD.
I'm not sure how much of this is available now; it was out in the 1980's. I find it interesting that David Byrne's expansion into various musical styles coincided with his fall from grace as a media darling. Starting with reviews of "The Forest", some of the same critics and writers who raved about him began to be condescending toward him. I felt this was his best period of artistry.
And "My Life in the Bush of Ghost" (with Brian Eno) should have been pretty non-pop at the time, although it pioneered the kind of sampling stuff that has been heard in a lot of mainstream stuff later on.
And "My Life in the Bush of Ghost" (with Brian Eno) should have been pretty non-pop at the time,
Maybe .. I've considered it to be pop though from day one. Much more so than some other stuff Eno did around the same time, like with Jon Hassel (possible musics, a truely great work IMO), or the music for airport stuff.
Hmm .. I should record some of those LPs into my computer .. going to do that right now _________________ Jan
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Posted: Sun May 06, 2007 2:26 pm Post subject:
Since Brian Eno came into the discussion, has anyone heard any of the Philip Glass/David Bowie/Brian Eno works? I have the Low Symphony on CD; I am not familiar with the original works and don't quite know how these were created, but i really like it. I want to get the Heroes Symphony next.
By the way, Consul, I've heard all the Philip Glass jokes and laugh at them, but he is still my favorite composer.
Has anyone here ever heard any music by Robert Haskins? He is a great composer, has performed some Philip Glass works on organ, and is, I believe, an expert on John Cage. I don't know if any of Robert's work is recorded, but he is an old friend of mine who encouraged me to write for chamber groups despite my lack of musical training. _________________ Gary Blanchard
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