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seraph
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Posted: Sat Apr 03, 2004 8:51 am Post subject:
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A Computational Perspective on Twenty-First Century Music
Huge Harry
Institute of Artificial Art Amsterdam
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Musical compositions that are designed and executed by human persons, do not constitute optimal input material for deeply satisfying processes of aesthetic reflection. Machine music is artistically superior. Until recently, this insight did not have many practical consequences, because mechanical devices tend to generate output with a limited range of variation. The paper argues that the digital computer has put an end to this state of affairs. The preconditions for a Copernican revolution in music are fulfilled now. Human composers can become scientists who gradually develop an all-encompassing mathematical description of the space of perceptual possibilities offered by the musical medium. Computer programs will then be able to generate fresh and interesting music forever, by drawing random samples from this space.
http://iaaa.nl/hh/brettonh.html _________________ homepage - blog - forum - youtube
Quote: | Don't die with your music still in you - Wayne Dyer |
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elektro80
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Joined: Mar 25, 2003 Posts: 21959 Location: Norway
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Posted: Sun Apr 04, 2004 7:46 am Post subject:
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"Huge Harry"? Hmm.. The John Holmes of computer music? _________________ A Charity Pantomime in aid of Paranoid Schizophrenics descended into chaos yesterday when someone shouted, "He's behind you!"
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paul e.
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Posted: Sun Apr 04, 2004 9:46 am Post subject:
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Quote: | Computer programs will then be able to generate fresh and interesting music forever, by drawing random samples from this space |
interesting..isn't this what humans do ... well they have a way to go
just a few dubious claims there... _________________ Spiral Recordings |
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mosc
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Posted: Sun Apr 04, 2004 9:57 am Post subject:
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That is the ultimate fate of electro-music.com. Computer programs will write the music, post the audio files, and then write clever articles complete with simulated personal anecdotes and humor. Simulated composers musicians, like Elektromosc will converse will Cyraph. |
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elektro80
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Posted: Sun Apr 04, 2004 10:14 am Post subject:
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Hmm.. perhaps we are all just simulations..? Who can tell? _________________ A Charity Pantomime in aid of Paranoid Schizophrenics descended into chaos yesterday when someone shouted, "He's behind you!"
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Cyxeris
Joined: Oct 30, 2003 Posts: 1125 Location: Louisville, KY
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Posted: Sun Apr 04, 2004 11:44 am Post subject:
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I wish I were only a simulation. _________________ ∆ Cyx ∆
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astroid power-up!
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Posted: Sun May 16, 2004 4:41 pm Post subject:
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seraph wrote: | Musical compositions that are designed and executed by human persons, do not constitute optimal input material for deeply satisfying processes of aesthetic reflection. Machine music is artistically superior.
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i love fascist commentary. well, at least the author states his opinions as facts. is "deeply satisfying processes of aesthetic reflection" supposed to be something that's the same for everyone? any time someone feels like they're on the path to achieving perfection through throwing 99% of anything to the jackals, i get a little nervous-nervous that the person will wise up and go into politics, where their aesthetic reflections can be put to permanent use. hitler was a failed artist, after all.
sounds like the italian futurist art movement of the early 20th century. and, as we've all seen, their art just took over the world :roll: |
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bachus
Joined: Feb 29, 2004 Posts: 2922 Location: Up in that tree over there.
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Posted: Sun May 16, 2004 7:18 pm Post subject:
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A paragraph from the paper:
"Let's face it. Music is not a means of communication. It is meaningless material, used for open-ended processes of aesthetic reflection by a multitude of culturally diverse audiences whose interpretations are totally arbitrary. There are no serious reasons for making one particular composition rather than another. "
What can one say? I find the paragraph above (typical of its cohort) to be a collection of assertions void of supporting argument or data and without logic in its development--that is to say IMHO it sounds profound while remaining conceptually vacuous.
But, mea culpa, a man believes what he needs to believe and disregards the rest. And I can't help but believe that flat, categorical and/or absolutist assertions about any art are necessarily foolish and asinine*.
*My apologies to the asses which are in fact intelligent and generally reasonable creatures whose primary failing is that they find it unreasonable to be expected to obligingly submit to every human whim. |
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astroid power-up!
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Posted: Sun May 16, 2004 8:06 pm Post subject:
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haha.
now i realize why it sounds like a robot talking.
my favorite part:
"Human persons should not antagonize machines. They should not try and compete with us. They should join us. We need human persons. We need human persons to operate and maintain us, to program our algorithms, and to build our interface hardware. To realize our full potential, we need human persons to interact with us in very intense and intimate ways, to beget new generations of ever more powerful machines... "
and now i know who dennis klatt is :P Last edited by astroid power-up! on Sun May 16, 2004 8:13 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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bachus
Joined: Feb 29, 2004 Posts: 2922 Location: Up in that tree over there.
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Posted: Sun May 16, 2004 8:11 pm Post subject:
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I'm sorry, I tried, but I can't stand it Ican't stand it I can't stand it!
Here is another quote from the paper:
"Is it possible to listen in a disinterested way to music which is composed and performed by humans? Human composers and musicians are not disinterested. They want money, fame, sex. [5] They cannot hide this, and often they do not even try to. If we do not turn off our microphones when we listen to their pieces, we hear greed, jealousy, lust. Behind the apparent complexity and indefiniteness of their compositions, there are all too clear-cut meanings. "
I am stirred deeply by these words and emotionally I have to express this stirring as "That's a lot of nihilistic horse crap."
But more importantly, the logical error here is that it's argument examines and treats a part of a fundamental phenomena as if that part were the whole. And in doing so undercuts with darkness what little light of hope and love are to be found in this world. (Hence my charge of nihilism.) In particular, if the author knows no composer whose moral fiber is deeper than that described then at best they are hanging with the wrong crowd and listening to the wrong kinds of music.
Again, please pardon any incivility--missed my meds today |
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