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bachus
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| I'd like to recommend two recordings by the Kronos Quartet, "Kronos Quartet Performs Alfred Schnittke" and "Harry Partch: U.S. Highball" As compositions the Partch I would describe as an absolutely stunning entertainment; The Shnittke powerfully and brilliantly explores darker musical worlds previously unknown to me. Nothing I could say of a more concrete nature could do other than mislead. As to the performances, they are an achievement beyond imagination. If you have anything approaching a serious interest in music and haven't heard these run, don't walk, to your nearest source of Nonesuch CDs and scarf these up. |
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| Kronos Quartet, "Kronos Quartet Performs Alfred Schnittke" - I have that one, it is recommendable. Schnittke wrote some extremely interesting music...perhaps enforced Soviet limitation/limited perception of the arts helped to create something greater in this regard? |
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jeff harrington
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Did you guys see that recent interview (forgot where) with David Harrington where he admitted to not listening to contemporary music anymore? He's been listening to Sigur Ros, Bjork, Current 93 (if I remember right) etc... said that the recent avant-pop groups, for lack of a better name (my name) had integrated contemporary music techniques into their song-writing and that these new albums of their's were more interesting than most recent contemporary music!
Interesting... trying to be provocative too I"m sure.
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You better find that Harrington and give him a 6-pack. Hmm.. I really wonder how he could say something like that in public.. wild.. risky.. I guess he will be beaten to a pulp by some militant art curators from NYC.. for sure.. risky risky risky... 
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| jeff harrington wrote: | | David Harrington ... he admitted to not listening to contemporary music anymore? |
Hmmm. They are probably "in it for the money". Not that that's bad, but for serious contemporary musicians they have always been big into marketing... well done though.
I've seen them play several times. They are always great, but there does seems to be a lack of joy in their performances. Well, I'm comparing them to people in other genres, like B B King and Bela Fleck or even the guys that performed at the Philadelphia Battle of the Laptops. If Kronos was playing on the same night as one of those others - my mind would say "go hear Kronos", and my heart would say the opposite. If Mr. Bachus was in town, I'd go hear Kronos. 
Still, I bet these are really great CDs, just like Bachus says. |
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| Harry Partch hated the string quartet. |
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| jeff harrington wrote: | Did you guys see that recent interview (forgot where) with David Harrington where he admitted to not listening to contemporary music anymore? He's been listening to Sigur Ros, Bjork, Current 93 (if I remember right) etc... said that the recent avant-pop groups, for lack of a better name (my name) had integrated contemporary music techniques into their song-writing and that these new albums of their's were more interesting than most recent contemporary music!
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this is such an argument for a more marxist version of art theory. I mean, don't techniques usually start in some kind of "avant-garde" and then become disseminated throughout the culture at large?
Kronos, as the biggest of the gate keepers for the avant garde underground spreading to the masses (i would rate John Zorn and Mike Patton up there, too), would obviously have quite a long view of these things. this is how most of the "avant-garde" musicians i know are, actually. They have suprising insights on which albums are courageous, and which aren't.
sounds like they need to catch up to the glitch explosion, though. Takemura's 10th and Matmos' Civil War are pretty beautiful pop avant garde.
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| 7/4 wrote: | | Harry Partch hated the string quartet. |
Well, that just goes to show you!  |
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| Quote: | | Kronos, as the biggest of the gate keepers for the avant garde underground spreading to the masses |
well they certainly have a lot of exposure but I wouldn't say they're at the forefront of never-before-heard music. The contemporary acoustic composition flavor has been around for awhile and is tightly linked to academia which imho has gone a long way towards killing music.
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sounds like they need to catch up to the glitch explosion, though. Takemura's 10th and Matmos' Civil War are pretty beautiful pop avant garde. |
hmm...no mention of xenakis or masami akita who in my opinion push (and pushed) the envelope much farther than any of their contemporaries. I like matmos but there's nothing in Civil War that's really challenging to me. California Rhinoplasty was a venture into the unnkown however.
Avant Garde and experimental is an interesting area because when you experiment most of the time the "hypothesis" is wrong. What I consider successful new music has the characteristics of a revelation. Each song opens a door you didn't know was there. I guess that's different for everyone. |
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| noiseusse wrote: | | Quote: | | Kronos, as the biggest of the gate keepers for the avant garde underground spreading to the masses |
well they certainly have a lot of exposure but I wouldn't say they're at the forefront of never-before-heard music. The contemporary acoustic composition flavor has been around for awhile and is tightly linked to academia which imho has gone a long way towards killing music.
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sounds like they need to catch up to the glitch explosion, though. Takemura's 10th and Matmos' Civil War are pretty beautiful pop avant garde. |
hmm...no mention of xenakis or masami akita who in my opinion push (and pushed) the envelope much farther than any of their contemporaries. I like matmos but there's nothing in Civil War that's really challenging to me. California Rhinoplasty was a venture into the unnkown however.
Avant Garde and experimental is an interesting area because when you experiment most of the time the "hypothesis" is wrong. What I consider successful new music has the characteristics of a revelation. Each song opens a door you didn't know was there. I guess that's different for everyone. |
1. i don't think kronos is at the forefront of avantgarde music. i do think, for better or for worse, they are one of the rare groups that can expose lesser known artists to the masses.
2. don't know masami akita, but xenakis certainly isn't pop music. nor is stockhausen.
3. i totally agree with you about avant garde music, especially the essential nature of much of it being ineffective. pop music is a different thing, and can have characteristics which seem experimental, but that really aren't. really, pop music works more as a softer, more listener/narrative friendly version of everything it appropriates.
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1. i don't think kronos is at the forefront of avantgarde music. i do think, for better or for worse, they are one of the rare groups that can expose lesser known artists to the masses.
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2. don't know masami akita, but xenakis certainly isn't pop music. nor is stockhausen.
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3. i totally agree with you about avant garde music, especially the essential nature of much of it being ineffective. pop music is a different thing, and can have characteristics which seem experimental, but that really aren't. really, pop music works more as a softer, more listener/narrative friendly version of everything it appropriates. |
more sterile, sellable and swallowable. |
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| jeff harrington wrote: | Did you guys see that recent interview (forgot where) with David Harrington where he admitted to not listening to contemporary music anymore? He's been listening to Sigur Ros, Bjork, Current 93 (if I remember right) etc... said that the recent avant-pop groups, for lack of a better name (my name) had integrated contemporary music techniques into their song-writing and that these new albums of their's were more interesting than most recent contemporary music!
Interesting... trying to be provocative too I"m sure.
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Funny, thanks to your netnewmusic.net site I checked out
Princetion Sound Kitchen Internet Radio Show.
http://netnewmusic.net/forums.html
http://silvertone.princeton.edu/radio/
Show # 6 was refreshing because it sounds like these composers
are integrating techniques from other genres also. Best of all,
they don't sound "academic."
Katherine Norman's "Anything from the minibar?" while reminiscent of
Laurie Anderson, Steve Reich and others, has that digital signal processing glitch thing going on.
Paul Koonce's "Breath and the Machine" bears a remote resemblance to dark ambient at times.
Ted Coffey's "Zap" has some glitch and ambient elements.
I guess experienced ears could say this stuff is kind of tame and accessible but tenderfoots might find these works challenging.
So glad to find this Jeff, thanks.
Enjoyed reading this interesting discussion too gang.
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| For information, details and reviews on the kronos quartet band go on that site. |
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