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kraster
Joined: Aug 06, 2007 Posts: 13 Location: Ireland
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Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 11:38 pm Post subject:
Re: Hints on better mimic'ing Moogs Subject description: Please add your own |
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Peake wrote: | If you've got a Little Phatty or other Moog... Post a soundclip. No, I'm just kidding.
One thing that makes the early Moogs sound a bit different seems to be that the waveforms exist more above the zero line than below. The Modular and Minimoog exhibit this. When you use an LFO in a Moog-style patch, offset it to about 65% or so positive, and see if that makes a difference. It's been a while since I've been in front of a Minimoog, but doesn't the vibrato (osc 3) cause the pitch to rise upward a bit as well?
Of course, long-mentioned in the excellent Tips and Tricks file, is to use an envelope to control Filter 2's Resonance, starting with a low overall setting and the envelope spikes it along with the Filter Fc.
Of course, using the LFOs and the TG to offset each oscillator helps as well. See the factory program Series 900. |
Is the Moog having the waveform over the line a DC offset from the zero crossing point?
Interesting.
One thing I have noticed about Moogs is that the filter seems more saturated than others but in a gentle kind of a way. Giving it that moog "squelch". Patching the andy's output to the filter input as you mentioned before is a good way of achieving this.
I always try and program some kind of instability into the sound. Either by gently modulating the 24db filter with a noise lfo and/or using the filter feedback. Same with the oscillators.
The Moog sound to me always has been lush without being to Hi-fi. So the filter should never get too high in frequency. I usually patch together a slight increase of filter feedback with the an increase of filter cutoff onto the mod wheel or ribbon. This helps the sound get a little more saturated as you increase the cutoff.
Also by putting a little "sag" in the sound it sounds more "vintage".
ie. Using the pitch envelope to hold the pitch steady and then the slightest downturn in pitch on release.
The S/H step output is also good for using to modulate the ouput of the above pitch envelope.
The great thing about the andromeda,as you well know, is that you can have 16 of these simultaneously!!!!
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ThreeFingersOfLove
Joined: Oct 21, 2004 Posts: 162 Location: Greece
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Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 3:45 am Post subject:
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Here's another suggestion - trick from me:
I have noticed that there is a special something in the envelopes of the Minimoog, (my Voyager does this too), it's like after the attack there is a small period of sustain to the sound. Me thinks this also contributes to the oomph of the Moogs but you can get it from the A6 if you offset the envelopes a bit till you get a clip. It's rather tricky to adjust though, I remember reading in the Tips document that the envelopes sound better if they are something like 80% and not 100% as that will give some room to some frequencies. In some patches it works well, in others no.
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Peake
Joined: Jun 29, 2007 Posts: 1113 Location: Loss Angeles
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Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 5:23 pm Post subject:
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The tip you mention regarding lowering the envelope output is from Colin, and applies to Envelope 3. He felt that it was overdriving the output VCA. I've never had a chance to really listen and confirm this, but he really knows his shit so try it out. |
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ThreeFingersOfLove
Joined: Oct 21, 2004 Posts: 162 Location: Greece
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Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 2:59 pm Post subject:
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Just in case someone forgot:
in the Mini the feedback comes after the VCA whereas in the A6 it comes after the VCF. However, we can always patch a cable back into the CV input, manually. |
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Peake
Joined: Jun 29, 2007 Posts: 1113 Location: Loss Angeles
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Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 6:31 pm Post subject:
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ThreeFingersOfLove wrote: | Just in case someone forgot:
in the Mini the feedback comes after the VCA whereas in the A6 it comes after the VCF. However, we can always patch a cable back into the CV input, manually. |
Audio>CV feedback will provide a completely different (yet in itself usable) result than audio>audio. |
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ThreeFingersOfLove
Joined: Oct 21, 2004 Posts: 162 Location: Greece
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Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 11:42 am Post subject:
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Silly me, when I said CV I had the external input in mind. Sorry about this. |
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Peake
Joined: Jun 29, 2007 Posts: 1113 Location: Loss Angeles
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Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 4:21 pm Post subject:
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Audio out to CV in is a rewarding form of synthesis, try it out. |
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ThreeFingersOfLove
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Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 11:25 pm Post subject:
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Mike, isn't running audio signals to CV inputs dangerous? I know it can be done in some Serge modules (they were custom made to accept both CV and audio, like the Control Voltage Mixer). How about in the Andromeda? Am I going to fry anything? |
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Peake
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Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 11:16 pm Post subject:
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The line-level outputs, no, I don't think so. |
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