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loss1234



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 6:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

can someone explain how this thing works?if i give it a clock, does it send out random triggers? gates? it looks cool but i dont want to build it and then find out it needs some sort of input i dont have. what are the bits?

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 7:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

You could think of it as being four preset values, with only one of them being 'active' at any time.

You select which value is selected by using two Select inputs - feed gate (not trigger) signals into these inputs.

So, you've got four preset pots A, B, C, D
And two Select Inputs 1 , 2

This gives:::
Select1 = Lo / Select2 = Lo ===> Preset A
Select1 = HI / Select2 = Lo ===> Preset B
Select1 = Lo / Select2 = HI ===> Preset C
Select1 = HI / Select2 = HI ===> Preset D

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 10:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

hmmm. but what do these four possible values output?

i suppose what i am asking is , does this work like a sample and hold sort of module or sequencer? does it output cv or audio? if i can use it to make weird sounds (through cv routing into a vco) then i want to make one!

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 10:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

CV outputs (0 to 5v).

(though you could clock it at audio rates for audio output! -- when I say Clock, I mean feeding inputs to the 2 Select Inputs)

No, not sample & hold.
Yes, kind of like a sequencer in some ways, but a strange one..

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 10:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

bugbrand wrote:
CV outputs (0 to 5v).

(though you could clock it at audio rates for audio output! -- when I say Clock, I mean feeding inputs to the 2 Select Inputs)

No, not sample & hold.
Yes, kind of like a sequencer in some ways, but a strange one..


Yesterday when I decided to modify one of my 2, with my 4 step 1V/octave sequencer engine, I realized that switching wise - we're both using the exact same 'engine' for the 4 steps and LEDs. Wink So I just slapped my 4 x Constant Current Sources in, with the 4 x 12 position 1 pole switches and success. Smile

The pair of your Pattern Generators now operates as a 4 step 1V / Octave sequencer with 4 'transpose' steps. Wink Though - I'm going to make another set of 4 CCS's, to replace the other 4 pots with, so I don't have to stop the clock to precision tune the transpose pots.

(Video'll be up on my site of it, later this week. I had it running yesterday along with my 2 x Divide by 7 dividers driving my Liquid Hihat and an off beat 'bass drum', whilst the Patt.Gen.'s played a bassline that were quite a few bars long, before it repeated. Very Happy )
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 24, 2007 10:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Found a video of the Bugbrand pattern generators on a breadboard from a while back when I was cleaning crap off of my phone. Thought I'd throw it in the thread. There can never be enough video links on a thread, right?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJGTrxqsTK0

I think I violate several rules of using solderless breadboards here. Rolling Eyes Very Happy

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 25, 2007 12:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

This project is made of awesome, as so many of yours are.

Sadly, I just can't envision myself enjoying etching and drilling my own boards.. How I wish you offered PCBs! =]

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 25, 2007 12:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

ENDIF wrote:

Sadly, I just can't envision myself enjoying etching and drilling my own boards.. How I wish you offered PCBs! =]


this is an easy veroboard project, you really don`t need a PCB for it, I made one in a few hours.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 25, 2007 11:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

It's a really simple project to do on veroboard. I've done several of modules this way when I've been too lazy to etch my own boards or didn't have access to a laser printer.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 25, 2007 6:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

so will the lf398 version work as well as the ad version? i have a few lf398's id like to use and was just wondering what the differences are between the 2 versions.


thanks

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 25, 2007 8:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

ENDIF wrote:
This project is made of awesome, as so many of yours are.

Sadly, I just can't envision myself enjoying etching and drilling my own boards.. How I wish you offered PCBs! =]


as others have said, this would be an an easy one to do on perfboard... don't be put off by the lack of a PCB... i know it can be intimidating, but YOU CAN DO IT.

very specifically: get a small solderless breadboard:
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lash up your circuit and tweak it 'til you get it working. i usually also have a scrap aluminum "panel" to temporarily mount pots jacks & switches, or a plastic tupperware container, or cardboard.

then, get a PCB breadboard that matches, approx., your solderless breadboard:
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copy your working layout on to the PCB. if you have enough parts, duplicate it (rather than tearing out parts from the solderless to the PCB), that way you can check your work as you go against an intact circuit. add solder, tidy up yr packaging, et voila! a circuit of yr very own.

(example images from ratshack, but you can find this stuff much cheaper if you look... even ebay)

once you've worked thru this a couple times with different circuits, you'll gain confidence and be a breadboarding fool. it's really great that so many PCBs are being made available for various projects, but don't be scared to strike out on your own, it's not that hard.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 25, 2007 11:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Hmm. Yes, I have one of those, but don't feel up to the 'slightly deeper end' of the pool yet..

Besides, I have SO many PCB projects to finish already.
Once I build more of these finished boards into panels.
Soon.

But thanks to all for the supportive words.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 9:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Another pattern generators video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzXGC2oY6BU

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 3:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Which CD4052 is everybody using in this design?

I am having some strange behavior using a CD4052BCN.

The CD4052BCN was getting very hot, and the 5V supply was fluctuating too much.

I changed how the the 5V is supplied to the pots and the instability is gone and the 4052 is no longer getting hot. I guess I stilll want to know why nobody else experienced this behavior.

Additionally there is considerable bleed through of the Bit 0 and Bit 1 signals to both channels of the CD4052BCN. This causes the LEDs to blink with every clock pulse and the CV to have spikes. The sound is sort of cool, but again, I want to know why I am the only person to have experienced this!??

I am also running off +/_15V, and I remember Tom Bugs using +/-12V. Perhaps this is the culprit.


Any insight will be appreciated.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 3:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Are you powering the 4052 between +15V and ground (ie - not -15V)?

That is the first thought i had when you said it is hot. The 4052 can only handle an 18.5V voltage range.

If you have some spare ones, try them and see if it is the same?
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 4:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

andrewF wrote:
Are you powering the 4052 between +15V and ground (ie - not -15V)?

That is the first thought i had when you said it is hot. The 4052 can only handle an 18.5V voltage range.

If you have some spare ones, try them and see if it is the same?


I am using the layout posted on this thread, by VTCL53.

I have tried several CD4052BCN. I knowthere are a couple of variationsof this chip, perhaps the BCN is not acceptable for this circuit???

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