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PostPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2004 4:26 pm    Post subject: Build a warm Pad patch Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Which starting point to make a good warm Pad like a typical Prophet V or
Oberheim sound?

Which choices for the OSC and what else ?

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2004 4:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

David Peck is pad master (he is also a forum member),

you can find some of his G2 patches at : http://www.xs4all.nl/~rhordijk/G2Patches/davepnord%20Peck/

He made a lot more for the NM Classic, for those see : http://nm-archives.electro-music.com/010_NordModular/011_Patches/Peck_David/

You'll want to download the NM Classic editor from the Clavia site to be able to open those.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2004 5:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

OT: What is a pad?

I am still not quite getting it after all these years... Shocked

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2004 7:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

True, Dave is a master pad maker.

I don't know if there is a definition of a pad, but to me it is a synth patch with long attack and decay times, often organ or string like in timbre, that is used to create a long background wash or texture. Pads are richer than drones and usually one plays chords with them. Pads are used heavily in "space music" and in some "new age" synth music. Some synths have a patch category called pads for these types of sounds. Such is the case on my Kurzweil PC2X.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2004 12:13 pm    Post subject: Pad sounds Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

This is my first post here. Hi you guys!

Did I hear someone mention pad sounds? Thanks for the compliments, guys! I'll look through my directories & pick out a few favorite pad patches & list them here.

A few pointers for pads:

Gotta use multiple detuned oscs. Try three of them, with different amounts of detuning. Try running each saw osc through a separate waveshaper to fatten them up, or add a hard-sync'd sine osc to boost the fundamental.

For a softer waveform, instead of a saw osc, you can use a sine osc and connect the output to it's own FM input and turn it up part way to create a soft saw osc sound (don't turn it up so much that it goes out of tune). On the G2, try using a shaper osc so you can set the waveshape between a saw & a sine, or between a saw & a triangle.

For a more orchestral type of vibrato, use a separate LFO for each osc, and set each LFO to a slightly different speed. LFOs should be in POLY mode.

The 12dB filter often lets too many high harmonics through for mellow pad sounds. Try 18 or 24 dB filters, or for more flexibility, try a 12 and a 24 filter connected to the inputs of a crossfader, and mix them together.

To get rid of high frequency transient energy, try using one of the various "warmth" filters that folks around here have devised. Actually, Rob H made nearly all of them. Pay attention to him.

And of course, big sloppy gobs of chorus, echo, and reverb. Keep adding it until Jan Punter doesn't like the sound anymore, than add a bit more to get it just right Smile

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2004 1:21 pm    Post subject: Re: Pad sounds Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

davep wrote:
Keep adding it until Jan Punter doesn't like the sound anymore, than add a bit more to get it just right


Right ... welcome Dave :-)

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2004 4:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Great, Dave, you are finally on the forum. welcome This is a red letter day!!!

Great tips. I'm not surprised. Using separate LFOs for each osc is a great technique.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2004 11:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Pads are so important in the songs..I'll keep those greats techniques in my mind forever.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 28, 2004 12:31 am    Post subject: Pads attached... Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

OK, some NM Classic pads you can find in the archive:
(We can't attach NM Classic patches here?)

Warm Spectral Pad.pch- uses spectral oscs for a soft saw sound.

Passion Drone.pch - Three stereo pairs of oscs with three vibratos & subtle filter mod.

Five warming tricks.pch - Uses sine oscs with self-FM, random osc detuning, clean & distorted filters in parallel, & a HF notch "warming" filter.

Lush Pad3.pch - one of my favorites, with lots of mellow sweeps.

Subtle Sweep CVA.pch - Two vibratos, PWM, and swept BPFs with panning in the CVA.

And some G2 pads attached:

Breath Pad - uses the new Noise Oscs and lots of slow filter sweeps.

VersaPad - Uses six Oscs with separate vibrato for each, clean 6dB filters & distorted 24dB filters in parallel, tons of effects.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 28, 2004 2:35 am    Post subject: Re: Pads attached... Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

davep wrote:
OK, some NM Classic pads you can find in the archive:
(We can't attach NM Classic patches here?)
panning in the CVA.

And some G2 pads attached:

Breath Pad - uses the new Noise Oscs and lots of slow filter sweeps.

VersaPad - Uses six Oscs with separate vibrato for each, clean 6dB filters & distorted 24dB filters in parallel, tons of effects.

Dave Peck


Nice!

More of them! more!

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 28, 2004 5:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

As with the LFO trick, you can also send each oscillator through a different filter. Slowly sweep the filters to provide movement. Especially for drones, a drone with no movement becomes irritating quickly. (unless you're trying to be irritating!)
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 28, 2004 3:20 pm    Post subject: Re: Pads attached... Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

davep wrote:
OK, some NM Classic pads you can find in the archive:
(We can't attach NM Classic patches here?)


Yes, you can upload NM classic patches on the forum. There's no technical reason for not doing that. It turns out that most of the patches for the NM Classic have already been written and posted. There are already archives for them and people, at least Kofi, are working on developing a database to access them. So posting NM patches here would at best only be a small subset. So, I figure the list is still the best place for NM Classic patches. Still, like in a discussion like this, posting a few choice G1 pads would be a great thing.


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And some G2 pads attached:

Great that you posted these G2 pad patches, Dave. Thanks Posting G2 patches to the forum is a good thing because they are automatically kept in a database, and because the patch author can determine which forum to post them under, there is some sort of categorization that is useful for people searching the patches.

Please see: http://electro-music.com/g2patches.php which is a flat listing of all the patches posted to the forum. Notice that this patch shows up under the "Clavia Discussion" forum. Not an approptiate place. People looking for pads might not look here. These patches should be posted in the Pads forum: http://electro-music.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=58

Not to worry, I or one of the other editors can move your post there, which I will do in a day or two after I'm sure you, Dave, have read this.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 01, 2004 8:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Hi Howard,

I'm still a bit confused by the electro-music forum structure & how to post here. So if we're discussing something in a topic thread (here) and I want to post a reply and a patch, I should send a reply to the thread but send the patch to the other category (i.e. "patches - completed")? How do I do that? And if I do that, do I just mention in the email that I sent a patch to the other area? Hmm.

Well, until I figure it out, here's a lush G2 pad patch with 8 variations. Needs an expander because of the long envelopes. Enjoy!

BTW, the reason I was asking about whether we could attach NM Classic patches here was because when I tried to do it, they would not attach. Only the G2 patches would attach to the email.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 01, 2004 9:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

davep wrote:
I'm still a bit confused by the electro-music forum structure & how to post here. So if we're discussing something in a topic thread (here) and I want to post a reply and a patch, I should send a reply to the thread but send the patch to the other category (i.e. "patches - completed")? How do I do that? And if I do that, do I just mention in the email that I sent a patch to the other area? Hmm.

Well, if there is a discussion this forum, "Clavia Discussion" (maybe Clavia is redundant since it's a sub-topic of ("Clavia Nord Modular"), then there is certainly nothing "wrong" about attaching a patch here. The only problem is that in the database, it will be associated with this forum and not the appropriate sub-forum, like Pads.

So your idea is a good one. If you post a pad under the pad forum, then you could certainly post a reply in this forum saying I posted "fatpad.pch2" (for example) in the Pads forum.

When you post a patch, it's a good idea to start a new topic in the appropriate forum. How to do that? Well, first you want to go to the "Clavia Nord Modular" index and look at all of the forums. Click here: http://electro-music.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=43
This shows all of the forums and sub-forums, at least for the Nord Modular (see attached pic below). Pick the appropriate forum and click on it. You'll then see a listing of all of the topics in that forum. Then click on "New Topic" and you'll get the familiar window for editing posts.

A pretty neat thing about the forum is that you can edit your posts (they aren't called emails), even if they are days or weeks old. This is good for correcting errors or whatever. So if you should choose to repost the patches you posted in this topic over on one of the other forums, you could always edit your posts here, delete the attachements in you posts, and tell in the edited post where you posted the patches.
davep wrote:
Well, until I figure it out, here's a lush G2 pad patch with 8 variations. Needs an expander because of the long envelopes. Enjoy!

great...
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BTW, the reason I was asking about whether we could attach NM Classic patches here was because when I tried to do it, they would not attach. Only the G2 patches would attach to the email.

Yikes, I'm going to fire that stupid forum administrator we have. Those pch extensions weren't enabled. He spends too much time patching his G2... doh I'm sorry


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 07, 2004 10:51 pm    Post subject: Fat pads with distortion Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I just posted a patch in the "experimental" sub category that may be of interests to folks looking for fat pad ideas. See the thread "another 'fattener' idea".
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