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G2X vs MicroModular Mp3 Comparison
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G2X 24 vs NM1 18 bit DA
I prefer G2's DA
66%
 66%  [ 8 ]
I prefer NM1's DA
33%
 33%  [ 4 ]
Total Votes : 12

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Blue Hell
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 4:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

varice wrote:
This problem was apparently also noticed by Blue Hell.


To tell the thruth ... you did have to put one and one together for me, but they are added now here as well Laughing Good work !

A phase issue as you mention it makes the patches incomparable indeed, as even two runs from the same synth may sound different.

BTW, mp3's may not be ideal to compare sounds, but when a difference in sound is clear enough the resulting mp3's will be different as well. It may not be easy to hear what the nature of difference was, while it may still be clear that in fact there was a difference in the pre-encoded signals. A measuring device may not be ideal and still be usable at the same time.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 11:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

About the phase differences...
In the beginning of the Classic period I made some FM patches, which I changed using a early Palle Dahlstedt tool, a Randomizer. The most exciting sound would come alive. After saving, the again loaded patch was totally dull... Rob Hordijk pointed it out as a phase problem.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 12:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Oh yes, I agree with you Blue Hell that not all MP3s are totally useless - just as long as the encoding process (and playback) does not create artifacts more horrible than the one trying to be exposed in the sound source!

But, I have to admit, the first draft of my first reply to this topic had a more strident rant against using MP3s for a critical listening test. I did edit it back down to the relatively mild one sentence statement that made it into the final draft. Smile

Good point Wout. The situation of "why does this patch sound different this time than it did before?" can sometimes be traced back relative waveform phase issues.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 30, 2012 4:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

hmm the Micro is a lot closer than I would have expected from reading about the different capabilities f each, then again Im a total noob with this
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