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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 3:14 pm    Post subject: diversity in electro-relationships Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

http://www.unimaas.nl/default.asp?template=overig/nieuws.htm&fac=um%20Algemeen&nid=03WQJ6N2GUN141N5Q615&id=niks&taal=en

http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/232704/Look_mom_I_married_a_robot_

Sadly I couldn't find the paper itself yet and most of the articles on it are in Dutch.

I think it's a delightful idea, I've always wondered about the US terminology of "Marital aid" but in the future that might actually start making sense!

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 4:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

An add from the second link reads--"Our Remote Control Taratula is so real! Its red eyes light up..."

I had no idea their eyes lit up.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 4:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

http://www.dieselsweeties.com/archive.php?s=1869

also, [some kind of reference to "coin-operated boy" by the dresden dolls here].

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 01, 2008 12:21 am    Post subject: sex with robot (female with bio male partner division) Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Provides a new potential dimension to the idea of the vagina dentata...(oh no!!! The grip setting is malfunctioning again!!!)
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 01, 2008 2:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

"coin-operated boy" - absolutely beautiful song.

I have no doubt that sex with robots will take off big time. It's a natural progression from the age of internet porn. ie, can't be bothered waking up my partner, I'll just fire up the internet and have a pull. Especially for people who don't have the social skills / financial security to secure a real sexual partner. And sex dolls are getting more and more elaborate and realistic. It's bizarre, liberating, troubling, and completely human. Very Happy

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 3:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Uncle Krunkus wrote:
"coin-operated boy" - absolutely beautiful song.

I have no doubt that sex with robots will take off big time. ... It's bizarre, liberating, troubling, and completely human. Very Happy



What a bunch of amateurs. Shocked Sex should be an act of loving communion with a living breathing feeling partner, an act in which our so called "higher consciousness" is thrown overboard in the transcendental ecstasy that comes with the full experience of our unity with and place in the natural world and transmitted to us through the union of love and lust.

If this ain't the way it is for you, you need to get a new groove on, and it wont happen by f**king a bunch of robots!

Uh ... IMHO

You have to understand that I think bad sex is a major cause of what's wrong with the world.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 6:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

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Sex should be an act of loving communion with a living breathing feeling partner, an act in which our so called "higher consciousness" is thrown overboard in the transcendental ecstasy that comes with the full experience of our unity with and place in the natural world and transmitted to us through the union of love and lust.


Right, but if one can't find somebody that one loves and/or isn't found by somebody that loves one? No sex then? What if there would be somebody who experiences a more transcendental and ecstatic sexuality with a machine then with his/her human partner? Lie to the partner in the name of unity?

I think this concept has a bright future, many people already spend more (waking) time with their computer then with their sexual partner, having the two (as social roles) merge into one makes perfect sense to me. I think many people are already in a relationship to their computer that has many of the properties used to describe ideal romantic relationships (trust, honesty, inter-dependability....). Frankly I find it quite surprising that techno-fetishism isn't more common then it is.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 6:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

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Right, but if one can't find somebody that one loves and/or isn't found by somebody that loves one? No sex then?


I understand that a minority of people who are so far out on the bell curve that the problem you describe could best be handled by robots. But most problems of that sort are of a malleable psychological nature and open to correction if the individual having the problem will seek help. The problem is the resistance to growth. For the personality to grow old parts have to die and become the soil from which new growth springs. Most people cling to themselves, even to the stunted immature parts that cannot grow and thus make them unhappy, because weeding out those parts is excruciatingly painful.

True love opens the way to growth--is growth--because it shifts the center of concern from the self to something outside the self. This is why, in a strictly Platonic sense, the pairing dogs with prison inmates has proved successful in rehabilitation of the dangerously self-centered. Robots, for the foreseeable future, will not be able to offer the kind of need, potential for independence, and existential beauty that can engender true love, as opposed to pandering to self-aggrandizing love that perpetuates neurosis.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 9:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

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I understand that a minority of people who are so far out on the bell curve that the problem you describe could best be handled by robots.


I don't think that's what this is about, once we get in that territory some countries have booked interesting results with specially trained sex workers because then the human contact may be the most important element.

What I meant was that it's perfectly possible to be of average or above average beauty, intelligence (etc, etc, etc) and still not find a mate one is interested in building up a relationship with, Suppose one would still like to have sex. Now you can "sleep around" until you find such a mate, set up a "arrangement" with a similarly inclined friend of the relevant sex, or masturbate. Right? Many of the same questions also arise if one would be in a relationship with a partner who has less frequent or different sexual needs.

These are perfectly normal and quite common questions, you don't have to be "on the outside of the bell curve" to be confronted with them.

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But most problems of that sort are of a malleable psychological nature and open to correction if the individual having the problem will seek help. The problem is the resistance to growth. For the personality to grow old parts have to die and become the soil from which new growth springs. Most people cling to themselves, even to the stunted immature parts that cannot grow and thus make them unhappy, because weeding out those parts is excruciatingly painful.


Could well be, yes. This may indeed be very common. Still, if I want a mate I need somebody who's attractive to me, who will understand me, who I can understand, to whom I am attractive, she'd probably need to live close enough to me for regular in-person contact and if we'd want to move in together we'd need to have similar styles of living, etc. That's quite a list.... Finding somebody to fill all those criteria will take time and I don't think that inherently points at a "stunted growth".

Because of changes in (western) society there is less social pressure to get married young now and less practical need to start a family at all. I think that's great because this will give people the time to look for a mate that fills all (or most of) their needs instead of settling for the first one in sight, then being watched over by the church to not ever split ways again. While you have a great point that internal psychological factors can influence relationships I don't think being stuck in a non-functional relationship is that healthy for one's psychology.

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True love opens the way to growth--is growth--because it shifts the center of concern from the self to something outside the self. This is why, in a strictly Platonic sense, the pairing dogs with prison inmates has proved successful in rehabilitation of the dangerously self-centered. Robots, for the foreseeable future, will not be able to offer the kind of need, potential for independence, and existential beauty that can engender true love, as opposed to pandering to self-aggrandizing love that perpetuates neurosis.


Sure, but now let's step from the inmate caring for the dog (or even just for a plant, I heard that's popular as well) to a young child caring for a stuffed bear or baby doll, from there let's consider the step to a electronic toy meant speciffically for caring for like a Tamagotchi ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tamagotchi ).

I'd also like to consider that if vibrators are popular (and I think they are) we could outfit one with a more complicated "vibration program", which would be a small step. Once we have that (and I think we do) we could outfit them with sensors to attempt to adapt to the state of the user (I don't think this exists but it's not that far fetched), there's likely a market for that, "even" amongst the completely healthy and normal. From there on it would be another small step towards "robots".

None of this sounds bad or dangerous to me and I don't think any of it is incompatible with long-term, constructive, relationships in the slightest.

In the meantime there indeed *is* a move towards people living in more solitary (arguably self-centred) ways.... Still, there I think we need to question whether that's a mater of people changing or if there is a percentage of people that wants to live that way that was previously pressured by society and economic factors into unsuccessful marriages. I think we can also wonder whether the growth from "true love" that you talk about can be exclusively attained within a sexual relationship. For example, I think we can agree that not everybody likes children and that that previously nearly everybody was pressured into still having them. From that we can agree, I hope, that it's a good thing that now this pressure where it even still exists is experienced as downright archaic, mainly for the benefit of those children, I suppose you could argue that not liking children is a sign of some deep rooted psychological issue as well........ but by that time I'm going to have to point out that that image of "psychological health" looks suspiciously like 19th century morality.

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"I have no doubt that sex with robots will take off big time. It's a natural progression from the age of internet porn. ie, can't be bothered waking up my partner, I'll just fire up the internet and have a pull. Especially for people who don't have the social skills / financial security to secure a real sexual partner. And sex dolls are getting more and more elaborate and realistic. It's bizarre, liberating, troubling, and completely human. Very Happy


Just noticed this! Laughing Just wondering if you could post a stripboard circuit? ..been lonely lately... Laughing
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Speaking of alternative relationships, I've decided to have an affair with someone more simpatico with my personality and am going to run off to Mexico with a lovely saguaro cactus I met at the arboretum.
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a stingy relationship Question
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 11, 2010 9:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

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The two of them will make a prickly pair, no doubt.

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This idea of "intimate encounters" with robots is consistent with the so-called 8-circuit model of consciousness (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/8-Circuit_Model_of_Consciousness ).

This model lays out a simple system of organizing layers of thought and processing that go on in the human mind. It categorizes consciousness into "low" primitive layers that have to do with the well being of the physical body all the way up through "high" spiritual layers that are generally only experienced by mystics and geniuses... at least at this point in the evolution of the human race.

The relevant point in the context of this forum thread is that, in this model, the first circuit that represents a sophisticated and peaceful human, one who has solved the various problems associated with physical survival and psychological well being is the so-called "neuro-somatic" circuit. This circuit is classically associated with things like recreational bliss, rejuvenation and healing. One of the things that supposedly stimulates and strengthens this circuit is tantric yoga and experimental sex.

Not saying that I personally take this route, but it does seem to be consistent with opening up the mind to "wider" mindscapes, new possibilities and so on.

FWIW.

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This kind of thing is always funny, and people get so worried about it.

Last year I was imagining what it would be like if my town had a "sex ambulance" where people who were in crisis could call and be helped out. The funny paradox is that I think it could do really well, but that for whatever reason the town would fight it on the pretext that it was scandalous and immoral somehow... Somehow that they probably could not quite explain without sounding like a bunch of authoritarian flakes. After all, orgasms are not illegal, and touching other people isn't either, and I don't think it would be difficult to demonstrate that this idea could be therapeutic in practice. So simple, yet so revealing of the depth of human neurosis.

And don't go hastily burning yourself in a weenie-roaster, but it is entirely possible to modulate the electrical activity of erectile tissues with synthesizers if the output is prepared properly. It does require utmost caution. Shocked
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And don't go hastily burning yourself in a weenie-roaster, but it is entirely possible to modulate the electrical activity of erectile tissues with synthesizers if the output is prepared properly. It does require utmost caution. Shocked


Sometimes I'm glad that age has removed all interst in sex. Razz

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And don't go hastily burning yourself in a weenie-roaster, but it is entirely possible to modulate the electrical activity of erectile tissues with synthesizers if the output is prepared properly. It does require utmost caution. Shocked


Sometimes I'm glad that age has removed all interst in sex. Razz

And, occasionally, sex removes all interest in age Cool

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"And what if I come home and find you f***ing the toaster?"

Somebody must know what film that is from - "Heavy Metal"?

So... what if your AI infused, coin operated, super virtual real personality artificial boy/girl/VW van decides IT doesn't want to have sex with you and sets up home with your Moog modular it has just "liberated" from squishy meatsac domination? How sad is that?

The whole point of the life like dolls that already exist is that they are passive and don't talk back. That is what people want from them.

And as for AI, it might already exist. We won't know until the phone system refuses to place a call or the washing machine spits out your socks unwashed. At some point a machine will say "no" and we will be back to hand shandies all roound - erm Embarassed

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 6:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Werebear wrote:
"And what if I come home and find you f***ing the toaster?"

Somebody must know what film that is from - "Heavy Metal"?

So... what if your AI infused, coin operated, super virtual real personality artificial boy/girl/VW van decides IT doesn't want to have sex with you and sets up home with your Moog modular it has just "liberated" from squishy meatsac domination? How sad is that?

The whole point of the life like dolls that already exist is that they are passive and don't talk back. That is what people want from them.

And as for AI, it might already exist. We won't know until the phone system refuses to place a call or the washing machine spits out your socks unwashed. At some point a machine will say "no" and we will be back to hand shandies all roound - erm Embarassed

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unfortunately Sex is a Product these days.

to make more money^^

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