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Going from 44100 to 96000HZ on a PC.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 5:53 pm    Post subject: Going from 44100 to 96000HZ on a PC.
Subject description: Sound card? Flux copassitor? Nuclear reactor?
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I kind of want to uprgrade to 96000 HZ. What's that, the sound card?

By the way, I've heard on here that CD audio is 44100HZ 16 bit stereo. Is that true? Can you notice I mean...what's the end result on a CD? My multitrack is 44100HZ, too I mean would this high frequency be cancelled out in the end?

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 6:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

You don´t want that upgrade. If you really need it some day, then you´ll know why you need it. Very Happy

Yes, CD audio is 44.1 khz at 16bit. When you track and mix you should be working at 24 bit sample size. The redux to 16 bit is done when mastering.

There are several reasons why you some day might want to use a higher sample rate. One would be if you are working for other formats than CD. OK, in some cases if you intend to do some serious processing then you might want a higher samplerate, but modern DAWs and plugins are so good these days that you might cope well with 44.1khz. Still, if you really feel you need to work with higher samplerates then 96Khz is not it. If you intend to deliver your final product on CD then you will have to work at 2 or 4 X rates.. these won´t need serious SRC ( sample rate conversion ) later on. SRC is something you really don´t want too much of. So.. you don´t want 96 khz. What you really want ( even though I am trying to talk you out of it for now ) is 88.2 khz. That´s how it is.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 6:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Well.. yes.. the sound card.. or a sound card that actually supports a wide range of sample rates. In most cases you actually control this from inside your DAW, but some cards will need to have this set in the card drivers.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 6:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

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Flux copassitor? Nuclear reactor?


Nah, these are only urban myths. It is simply just a matter of interfacing your favorite butt plug with a carefully selected number of Tesla coils.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 11:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Yeah I always thought I'd be better off staying at 44.1kHz/16bit as I figured that's what would go to a CD anyway. Anything else would mean re-sampling/downsampling which would introduce (quantising?) errors, yeah?
I hadn't thought of recording at 24bit though. The XFi soundcard I'm using actually processes at 24bit so I s'pose I should do that hey?

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 3:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Yup, go for 24 bit.


As for higher sampling rates, there are sound reasons why it at times would be smart to record and process at say 88.2 or 176.4 khz ( or those other evil ones.. if you do work for TV or film or such ). And truth be told, there are some AD converters and digital mixers that do 44.1khz very very lousy.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 7:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

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And truth be told, there are some AD converters and digital mixers that do 44.1khz very very lousy.


Which ones? Don't tell me,...... the one in the XFi card for starters! Rolling Eyes

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 7:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I don´t know that one.. Very Happy

I should add that most modern gear is pretty decent.

An old common problem used to be sloppy bandlimiting and dysfunctional anti-aliasing filters. Some of the myths, and there many, seem to come from workarounds when being stuck with really sad gear. Sometimes upping the samplerate to 88.2 or 96 khz would move the garbage artifacts out of the "lower" frequencies.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 7:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Actually, that is what higher sample rates will accomplish, but decent gear should not deposit serious junk in the signal anyway.. and absolutely not when spinning at 44.1khz.
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