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PostPosted: Sat Nov 15, 2008 5:03 am    Post subject: Parameter exclusion over variations
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Just thought I'd share this thing I just found out. Sorry if it is old news, I did a quick search and couldn't find any previous mention. There might be other people like me who didn't realise this, anyway.

A gripe with some here is the fact that you can't choose to exclude parameters from variations. This means that if you tweak e.g. a filter cutoff in variation 1, that value will change when you go to variation 2, to whatever value was stored there. The desirable solution to this problem would be to have a function in the editor that allowed you to configure that filter cutoff to "global" or something, meaning that the value you set it to would apply for all variations.

An alternative solution to this is to tweak the value via MIDI, and use the MIDI Control receive module (instead of assigning the filter knob to a MIDI control directly) to set the value in the patch (check attached). This means you need to tweak the value using either some external MIDI controller or a MIDI Control send module placed in another slot in the G2, but the value that you set will stay the same when you change variations.

Check the attached patch to see what I mean. Try changing the MIDI control sent into CC#30 on channel 1 and then change variations. Perhaps not the perfect solution when you're patching in the studio, but it might be useful in a live situation.

/Stefan

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 15, 2008 12:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread
Using external MIDI is a good workaround.

I have another suggestion. I have noticed that parameters assigned to the Modulation Wheel Morph stay consistent while changing variations. I use the two extra Global Modulation Wheels on my G2X for this. Works great!
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 15, 2008 4:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread
this is a classic solution .. I've known it for years ... thank god for parameter exclusion via midi modules especially on overall patch volume, eh?

yay!
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Good trick with the mod wheels. I see you found the old thread as well, varice. Thanks!

I guessed that this was a known trick, though not written a lot about here.

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yeah I know, I like how it gives us features the G2 truly needs.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 16, 2008 1:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread
Antimon wrote:
I guessed that this was a known trick, though not written a lot about here.


I think you were the first to mention the MIDI trick. I did not know for sure that it would work, but I suspected that it might. I never tested that since I use the mod wheels.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 12:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread
Antimon wrote:
… A gripe with some here is the fact that you can't choose to exclude parameters from variations. This means that if you tweak e.g. a filter cutoff in variation 1, that value will change when you go to variation 2, to whatever value was stored there. The desirable solution to this problem would be to have a function in the editor that allowed you to configure that filter cutoff to "global" or something, meaning that the value you set it to would apply for all variations.

An alternative solution to this is to tweak the value via MIDI, and use the MIDI Control receive module (instead of assigning the filter knob to a MIDI control directly) to set the value in the patch… This means you need to tweak the value using either some external MIDI controller or a MIDI Control send module placed in another slot in the G2, but the value that you set will stay the same when you change variations.


varice wrote:
... I have another suggestion. I have noticed that parameters assigned to the Modulation Wheel Morph stay consistent while changing variations. I use the two extra Global Modulation Wheels on my G2X for this. Works great!


Of course, in addition to the Modulation Wheel(s), the Control Pedal and Pitch Stick can also be used this way without being affected by variation changes. You can use the Device module to get direct control values and/or use the Morphs with direct device or external MIDI CC assignment to control parameters of several modules in a patch.

Also, some novel alternative controls that would not be affected by variation changes are suggested here:

http://electro-music.com/forum/topic-32424.html
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