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Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2009 5:45 am Post subject:
I did eventually remember to hit the record button during my set, so I'll have some of it ready laster today maybe. It was a half hour set so I think I can make a couple of excerpts. _________________ Garret: It's so retro.
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Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2009 2:34 pm Post subject:
From the NYE streaming. I was on probably too early for many in the USA to have heard. Here are two excerpts of the half hour Klee-fest.
The patching used was:
- The Klee which was running the 3 VCOs of the M5N, and gating it via Gate1
- a baby10 running an AM3030 VCO which was then mixed into the M5N. The AM3030 had the saw out going to the metalbox/cgs wave multiplier's folder, and the pulse going to the wave multiplier's grinder. From there, the folder went to an ssm2044 filter, and the grinder went to a Bananalogue LPFA. From there they came back to the M5N's mixer.
The control was clocked from midi, I had DP6 running a 16 bar loop, to give some drum tracks and synch to the PEK which was running its own sequencer with some more rhythm. Clock was divided by 6 and fed to the Klee's clock in. The baby10 got Trigger3 from the Klee. Gate1 went to the main gate for the envelope control of the M5N.
oh yeah, also was clocking a Binary Zone using Trig3 which would change things around, and the Binary Zone was feeding an Improbability Drive which was influencing the AM3030 via the quantized output. It's probably noticeable once in awhile.
A minimalist show actually for me, but it was fun and kept me busy.
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Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2009 5:24 pm Post subject:
Hey REX ....... Cool Kleemation !!! I missed the set as you saw in the chat yesterday ,BUT, as you promised, there would be something to listen to here
Had lots of fun all day listening to great music and chatting among friends !!!
I also made a video of this, but am using final cut express for the first time, and it's taking longer to get sorted out than I planned. I've got the video finished, just trying to get it into the right shaped box for vimeo - it's too long for youtube, although I may make a shorter version.
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Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 9:24 am Post subject:
Man - you guys are just blowing me away!
I'm downloading Pehr right now, so in the meantime I'll post:
E-Rex: I agree with Bill - great Kleemation! Thank you for recording and posting this for those of us (me) who manage to read a notice and not react. How you integrated everything together and produced such a cool set is beyond me. I'd love to see you do this live.
SDuck: Another beautiful tune, indeed! I can't imagine how you did that, so I'm definitely looking forward to seeing the video. I love this piece!
My hat's off to you guys. I tried recording a more "spatial" video last night, but I screwed it up by accidentally hitting one of the special effect buttons on the camera, and it turned into more of a jumble than my videos normally are.
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Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 10:01 am Post subject:
Sduck, Pehr ....... love em' !!! Since I play so much audio while sitting at my desk, I decided to add a SONY bookshelf audio system so I can hear all submissions loud and clear !! Great work guys !!!
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Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 10:03 am Post subject:
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My hat's off to you guys. I tried recording a more "spatial" video last night, but I screwed it up by accidentally hitting one of the special effect buttons on the camera, and it turned into more of a jumble than my videos normally are.
Oh dude, yes, I know how you feel. I did that while recording a fireworks display once and boy what a surprise doh !!!!!
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Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 10:13 am Post subject:
Listening to Pehr now.......I think I'm somewhere in the neighborhood of Bellatrix by now...saw a planet that looked habitable, but it was ruled by damned dirty apes.....
Frikkin' awesome, Pehr.
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Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 10:22 am Post subject:
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Sduck, Pehr ....... love em' !!! Since I play so much audio while sitting at my desk, I decided to add a SONY bookshelf audio system so I can hear all submissions loud and clear !! Great work guys !!!
What I heard of the streaming audio was just out of this world. I tuned in right after I read Jan's mention of it running. Got in just after Edison Rex's set had ended and I made it through K. Kissinger's excellent set, then for some reason this laptop choked and things got really choppy. I couldn't get into the chat at all, for some reason (my computer kept cryptically telling me my connection was denied).
The show would make a great CD set. Toss in SDuck's composition above and I'd be set for the rest of the year.
Dang - (still listening to Pehr) you guys have mastered the Klee for live stuff. I'm not sure I could pull that off... _________________ My Site
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Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 10:56 am Post subject:
Thank you all!
That sequence was actually a 'golden pot' setting I've found they day before.
Played around a little with the gate bus and threw in a random sequence during the later part.
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Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 1:46 pm Post subject:
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oh, btw, the voice of the sequence in my set is the SN-voice
Cool! I'll have to point TH to that one.
I re-did the one I flubbed last night. It's a thirty two step sequence (16X1 Invert B mode). Each voltage output is controlling a VCO. One VCO is going through the MS-20 filter - the first section is tracking the VCO and adding harmonics, the second section is low pass filter. The second VCO is going through my Schmitz 2040 Transistor Clone filter, the third VCO is going through my Triple Wilson SVVCF. The voltage outputs are crossed around on the filter controls to add more variation. I've also got two drum voices, supplied by the CGS dual drum simulator (I gotta drag my MPS BB out of mothballs).
I have it on Vimeo, because I wanted y'all to hear it in stereo - my Triple Wilson SVVCF is a stero filter, and I rarely use that feature because I usually have too much other stuff patched up. Here it's in stereo, with an LFO running the different BP filters in different directions.
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Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 3:42 pm Post subject:
Thank you, Carlo!
Do you mean the patch cables? If so, here's a sketch of the patch - my cables are generally three foot cables, and a number of them are six foot (needed for my Triple SVVCF, which is that multi-knobbed module sitting by the window). The CGS drums and VCOs are without panel, so I alligator clip to them. Anyway, each line on the diagram is a patch cable (bear in mind some of those are multed). Each voice, to be individual, is going to require a minimum number of cables. The main bulk of my modular just sits there on the table - all that extra footage just piles up like so much spaghetti. Mmmm....sphaghetti......
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Ok, so there's no mystery - there are no industry secrets here...
This patch was put together over several days of basically a few minutes here and there of fooling with it. I also didn't have enough patch cords to finish it, so had to make new ones during the process. And there are still some odd ones in there.
Clock is the blacet binary zone, picked because it's about the only clock source that'll run the mfos sequencer. Clock into the klee, and also into the cgs pulse divider - woops, first big problem - the mfos sequencer doesn't want to work after the clock has been through the pulse divider. Yikes. Through some strange experimental urge, I try plugging the pulse divider out into the motm 510 wavewarper, and for some reason the mfos sequencer works that way. Odd.
The original idea with the mfos sequencer was to have a fixed sequence of bass bell tones, which I had set up at one point, but was never really happy with it, and kept on devolving it so finally it was just popping the gate on a fixed pitch triangle wave every 16 clock ticks - doh... doh... doh... doh... doh...
Pitch setting on the klee are basically the same as I wrote about earlier - just 4 basic intervals - 2 seconds, 1 minor third, 2 fourths, and 1 fifth. The gate bus switches are mostly in the center position, with just one or two up or down, and I changed them on the fly during the noodle. Mostly the thing is in 16x1 mode, invert off, although there are times when I change things. I also flipped the merge switches on and off at various points.
The klee driven sounds are pretty straightforward - the fixed pitch outs (all three) are all going to motm 300 vco's 1v/oct ins, saw outs, and the vco's are all tuned to the same pitch, except one thats up an octave. All of these through standard motm vca's controlled by my modded motm eg's, driven by the 3 gate outs. The first entrance is going through a motm 480 filter, the second voice is through a mankato filter, and the third voice is through the tellun doomsday machine and then a motm 440 filter (which is a really delicious sounding combo). I finally have a real mixer (motm 830), so no wierdness there this time. Some little fiddling that occurred during the thing - I ran cables from the various glide outs from the klee to the freguency mod ins on the various filters - mixed them up, so filter freq is different than the vco freq, and the various knobs that control all this are turned on during the piece. I also turned on a bit of bleed on the vca's near the end - I like that effect, and meant to do it earlier, but forgot.
Video is an attempt to have 2 cameras going - a stationary one on a tripod, and a handheld, my little flip thing. The handheld one was mostly useless - I couldn't really run the synth and keep the camera focused on anything except for some brief moments. Edited in Final Cut Express, my first time using it, and there was a steep learning curve, hence no niceties such as cross-fades and titles. Maybe next time. Had to get some help from the apple support forums along the way - very handy resource! The audio was captured seperately in cubase (stereo this time!), and a little reverb was added, but that's all.
That's it!
[no LPG's or wogglebugs were used in the production of this video. Rats/sorry.]
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Posted: Sat Jan 03, 2009 1:22 am Post subject:
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Here's my humble video that gave me a nervous meltdown putting together -
What a perfect end to the day! E-Rex, SDuck, Pehr, Monopoly all in one day. And this video is just great!
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Ok, so there's no mystery - there are no industry secrets here...
This patch was put together over several days of basically a few minutes here and there of fooling with it. I also didn't have enough patch cords to finish it, so had to make new ones during the process. And there are still some odd ones in there.
I love it - run out of patch cords, so you build more. Nothing can stop you.
Hey Carlo - see all those patch cables? - I think there are more there than in my pile. The difference is, these look like they belong - they're draped across one hell of a beautiful modular, whereas as mine are coiled up like a nest of vipers in front of a mishapen metallic...thing.
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Clock is the blacet binary zone, picked because it's about the only clock source that'll run the mfos sequencer. Clock into the klee, and also into the cgs pulse divider - woops, first big problem - the mfos sequencer doesn't want to work after the clock has been through the pulse divider. Yikes. Through some strange experimental urge, I try plugging the pulse divider out into the motm 510 wavewarper, and for some reason the mfos sequencer works that way. Odd.
Yes - weird that the MFOS wouldn't clock off of the pulse divider - I was going to say maybe the level isn't high enough, but a CGS divider would be plenty. I know my MFOS EGs originally wanted to see a fairly stiff signal, so I put some comparators in on the gate and trigger inputs - now they'll trigger if I sneeze at'em. But, like I say, IIRC, the CGS divider puts out a pretty high signal (10V?).
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The original idea with the mfos sequencer was to have a fixed sequence of bass bell tones, which I had set up at one point, but was never really happy with it, and kept on devolving it so finally it was just popping the gate on a fixed pitch triangle wave every 16 clock ticks - doh... doh... doh... doh... doh...
And it actually evolved into the beginning and ending of the piece!
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Pitch setting on the klee are basically the same as I wrote about earlier - just 4 basic intervals - 2 seconds, 1 minor third, 2 fourths, and 1 fifth. The gate bus switches are mostly in the center position, with just one or two up or down, and I changed them on the fly during the noodle. Mostly the thing is in 16x1 mode, invert off, although there are times when I change things. I also flipped the merge switches on and off at various points.
Yep - even to this day I tend to forget that the bits do most of the work, and only a few strategic gate bus switches need to be off center (off of bus 2). It was easier to remember back when it was on the breadboard because it was easier just to plug a few wires in than a bunch. Flipping those switches worked really well here for variation. Hmmm....
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The klee driven sounds are pretty straightforward - the fixed pitch outs (all three) are all going to motm 300 vco's 1v/oct ins, saw outs, and the vco's are all tuned to the same pitch, except one thats up an octave. All of these through standard motm vca's controlled by my modded motm eg's, driven by the 3 gate outs. The first entrance is going through a motm 480 filter, the second voice is through a mankato filter, and the third voice is through the tellun doomsday machine and then a motm 440 filter (which is a really delicious sounding combo). I finally have a real mixer (motm 830), so no wierdness there this time. Some little fiddling that occurred during the thing - I ran cables from the various glide outs from the klee to the freguency mod ins on the various filters - mixed them up, so filter freq is different than the vco freq, and the various knobs that control all this are turned on during the piece. I also turned on a bit of bleed on the vca's near the end - I like that effect, and meant to do it earlier, but forgot.
Yeah - I like opening up the VCAs too, just a smidge. It bugs me that I don't have a keyboard synth that allows that. But, then again, I only have two keyboard synths, and a new (old) string machine my sister gave me this Christmas.
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Video is an attempt to have 2 cameras going - a stationary one on a tripod, and a handheld, my little flip thing. The handheld one was mostly useless - I couldn't really run the synth and keep the camera focused on anything except for some brief moments. Edited in Final Cut Express, my first time using it, and there was a steep learning curve, hence no niceties such as cross-fades and titles. Maybe next time. Had to get some help from the apple support forums along the way - very handy resource! The audio was captured seperately in cubase (stereo this time!), and a little reverb was added, but that's all.
I've thought a second camera would be great - and I like that, hope you keep up with the idea. It is really hard to operate a modular with only one hand, though. It really inhibits some things one wants to do, - sometimes you want to flip more than one switch simultaneously, for example, or twiddle two knobs, etc. I've thought about making a camera helmet, but that would probably be the last straw for my wife if she saw me marching around the house in it. My problem is one of ergonomics, also. It's easy enough to play the synth, but to film it is really hard, because I have to stoop over to get a good angle. After a while my back really starts to complain. My last video had a flub that bugs me, but I just couldn't bring myself to do another take - my back was killing me. It looks like yours is set up quite well.
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That's it!
Well thanks for posting it - I really enjoy it!
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Posted: Sat Jan 03, 2009 2:24 am Post subject:
Scott Stites wrote:
Yes - weird that the MFOS wouldn't clock off of the pulse divider - I was going to say maybe the level isn't high enough, but a CGS divider would be plenty. I know my MFOS EGs originally wanted to see a fairly stiff signal, so I put some comparators in on the gate and trigger inputs - now they'll trigger if I sneeze at'em. But, like I say, IIRC, the CGS divider puts out a pretty high signal (10V?)
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Posted: Sat Jan 03, 2009 2:46 am Post subject:
Yeah - not sure if I remember what the CGS divider level is. I've got the board around here. My MFOS EGs were an earlier design that really wanted a pretty high level. Definitely much more than the 5V Gates/Trigs my TH Digital keyboard puts out.
Hey Carlo - see all those patch cables? - I think there are more there than in my pile. The difference is, these look like they belong - they're draped across one hell of a beautiful modular, whereas as mine are coiled up like a nest of vipers in front of a mishapen metallic...thing.
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Posted: Sat Jan 03, 2009 2:52 am Post subject:
Scott Stites wrote:
Yeah - not sure if I remember what the CGS divider level is. I've got the board around here. My MFOS EGs were an earlier design that really wanted a pretty high level. Definitely much more than the 5V Gates/Trigs my TH Digital keyboard puts out.
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Posted: Sat Jan 03, 2009 3:13 am Post subject:
Yeah, I imagine Ray came out with those about two seconds after I completed my module.
My triple EG module has two of the ADSR design with the LEDs, only I didn't put in the LEDs, and one of the old, original AR/AD EGs. I added EOC trigger outputs, so they can cycle. My favorite part is on each one I have a three position time constant switch - I use those all the time - they're probably the most used switches on my synth. Only thing better would be a VC EG. One of these days....
How in the world did you get the variation on the Klee sequence hands off - were you using external range input?
Honestly the sequence is coming from the Wiard noisering witch modulates also the Klee and the Klee out goes into the Noisering.
But it is a big crosmodulated patch because the Klee also controls some cv on the Blippoo Box witch modulates the noisering to.
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You know, a good noodle is something I've never tried yet. I'm inspired...
I wonder what you will come up with.
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How many miles (meter) of patch cable will I need?
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