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bearblock
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 Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2008 4:20 am Post subject:
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hi,
i thought it was time i learned how to design pcbs; so i've been putting together a 'vc sequencer brain' in freepcb. this is all basic 2-layer, through hole stuff.
it's going pretty well, but one thing worries me - it isn't adding any soldermask cutout info. i plan to get a prototype run made in china at some point but i don't want them to come back totally covered in soldermask & unuseable 
ian (frijitz), you use this software, correct? i have bought boards for your mindbending chaos generators from bridechamber (with green soldermask) and direct from you (no soldermask on these)... i'd like there to be soldermask on the sequencer brains if possible; do you need to use different part libraries? or is it something simple&stupid i'm missing, like a single checkbox?
thanks for reading!
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frijitz
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| Posted: Sun Nov 30, 2008 9:27 am Post subject:
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Hi bb-
Yeah, it does the SM automatically, and can only shows cutouts that you specifically add -- as far as I can tell, anyway. You can specify the SM gap when you have it make the gerbers. You can see the SM when you use a gerber reader to look at the final output.
When I get the "barebones special" boards, I just submit the 3 gerbers for the copper layers and the drill holes. I give bridechamber all the files to get the nice boards made.
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bearblock
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BananaPlug
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| Posted: Sun Nov 30, 2008 3:34 pm Post subject:
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Where are you getting the PCBs made? The barebones special? Is that 4pcb.com? I'm shopping around. Need to make some small PCBs.
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frijitz
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| Posted: Sun Nov 30, 2008 3:40 pm Post subject:
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| bearblock wrote: | | the board is pretty much done now; freepcb is an awesome tool, so easy to learn. |
Nice looking board! I agree on freepcb being easy to use. I got very frustrated when I played around with eagle a bit.
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frijitz
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| Posted: Sun Nov 30, 2008 3:43 pm Post subject:
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| BananaPlug wrote: | | Where are you getting the PCBs made? The barebones special? Is that 4pcb.com? |
Yes. I order them 3d day UPS and I always get them in 2 days (they're just up the road "a bit".) So a 3 day total turnaround!
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bearblock
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| Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 7:52 am Post subject:
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hi! a few more queries...
i think i've found a good deal for pcb fabrication (pcbcart.com). they require me to supply some info with the Gerber files:
| Quote: | Please double check "Min. Tracing/Spacing", "Min. Annular Ring", "Smallest Holes" specification that completely
match with provided PCB file, or it may have extra cost that delay the process |
there are some other stats required too, like number of holes and board outline dimensions. i could probably work most of this out myself, but still, is there a way to export such info directly from the Gerbers, thus ruling out any... human error? </strangelove> |
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frijitz
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| Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 8:24 am Post subject:
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| bearblock wrote: | Please double check "Min. Tracing/Spacing", "Min. Annular Ring", "Smallest Holes" specification that completely
match with provided PCB file, or it may have extra cost that delay the process |
You can set most of these in Tools/Design Rule Check, to have the program check them. Just be careful, because the settings for the gerber export can override them (some have said).
For board size, if the origin is at (0,0), then zoom in to the upper right corner, put your cursor on the corner and read the coordinates at the bottom of the screen.
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bearblock
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| Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2008 5:45 am Post subject:
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nice one Ian
i've sent the files off and paid now, so hopefully i'll be posting about this project again in the new year, once i've written some firmware... |
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BananaPlug
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| Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2008 8:55 am Post subject:
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| Anyone here tried both Freepcb and DipTrace? Comments? |
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bearblock
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| Posted: Wed May 13, 2009 4:41 pm Post subject:
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hello again frijitz,
i just found your post on the freepcb forums from back in aught seven:
| Quote: | I've just discovered (the hard way: dollars down the drain) that the footprint for the TO92 transistor package has an error. This package has square leads requiring a hole size over 27 mil:
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The footprint in FreePCB has 20 mil holes. |
wish i'd read this earlier...
the sequencer brain i posted in this thread has a couple of bc547s - they were quite a snug fit but nothing that rang any alarm bells. development continued on and off for a couple of months, and i just recieved the voltage bank boards from 'pcbcart'. these are designed around a discrete 16-way analog switch using bf245 jfets, which i have only been able to install after hours of work with needle-nose pliers, ruined transistors and copious swearing 
not sure if this is down to the difference in plating thickness between different pcb batches or the difference in pin size between different transistors, and tbh it probably doesn't matter. i need to come up with a new TO92 footprint, and i was wondering what your approach was? i was thinking probably 28mil holes, but then does the copper pad need to be expanded too? the pads on the default freepcb footprint seem to be pretty close together already...
thanks for reading!
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frijitz
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| Posted: Wed May 13, 2009 5:00 pm Post subject:
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I settled on 28 and 52 mil for the holes. I also spread the pins out a bit so the spacing isn't so tight.
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