DO NOT DEAL WITH PLAN B / PETER GRENADER RIPPED OFF

amnesia · Joined: Jul 29, 2006 Posts: 148 Location: amnesia

WE HAVE WAITED LONG ENOUGH KEPT THE COMPLAINTS TO MUFF WIGGLER FORUM ( where you will see at least 90 PAGES of complaints)

Plan B is basically not replying to any of it customers , have had broken promise after broken promise about modules being sent out when asked for tracking numbers NOTHING...

Personally I have waited near 5 months to have a module repaired/returned after being informed in Jan and Feb that the modules had been mailed out after I sent about 20 emails from Nov last year to now only to get an email from Peter stating what was going on and where was my module , no tracking number no email response etc etc etc

Peter owes Elby Design an ex Australian distributor thousands of dollars and there are many people who have bought direct to Plan B only to find modules being sold at Big City Music and not to the people who paid for them direct!

I use to be such a HUGE PLan B fan boy but after having modules arrive with no power cable between PCB, a module being returned a second time and the complete lack of respect he shows his customers that is it

I urge all of you to be very careful if you decide to deal with Peter G and PLan B ,,,In my eyes his company and name are mud!

amnesia · Joined: Jul 29, 2006 Posts: 148 Location: amnesia

Peter cant answer ANY of these questions.

You could have the decency and reply to your customers

Where are Scott and my repair modules we sent in November 2008 and not returned?
Why were we informed they had been sent out on 2 times and they werent?
Why do you owe Elby money and you wont pay him?
Why do people who pay you direct not have modules but you ship the same modules to BCM?
Why are you not giving tracking numbers
WHY ARE YOU AVOIDING ANY OF THESE QUESTIONS

TekniK · Joined: Aug 10, 2008 Posts: 1062

ix · Joined: Jan 15, 2009 Posts: 14 Location: uk

i think you will find he is already financially bankrupt and in the last throws of business.Its possibly not wise to buy from him on these grounds.What he has done to people and the contempt he has shown many online beggars belief and is shocking , I think personally he has gone slightly mad ( really , it happens and he has shown via many mails the mark of a madman and a serial liar and also someone in a very deep state of self denial , all are forms of madness !)I feel very sorry for him but also for his victims.He wont survive this.

I urge all of you to be very careful if you decide to deal with Peter G and PLan B ,,,In my eyes his company and name are mud![/quote]

jksuperstar · Posted: Fri May 15, 2009 5:49 pm Post subject:

What was Plan A?

elektro80 · Posted: Fri May 15, 2009 5:57 pm Post subject:

seraph · Posted: Fri May 15, 2009 11:49 pm Post subject:

phaedra · Joined: Sep 15, 2008 Posts: 32 Location: Bielefeld/Germany

I'm also a victim of Peter Grenaders Evil or Very Mad

lies and promises (approx. 1.000 USD for prepaying the M32 and sent modules for repair, which never returned) and second the posting of amnesia.
It is really dangerous to give Plan B some money. Although the deal with BCM will work, the service from Plan B is really not existent, so it makes no sense to buy any Plan B stuff.

xpander · Posted: Sun May 17, 2009 1:52 am Post subject:

mono-poly · Posted: Sun May 17, 2009 1:57 am Post subject:

I tought Wiard.

amnesia · Joined: Jul 29, 2006 Posts: 148 Location: amnesia

Now we have a second employee who is claiming Peter ripped them off...Oh what a lovely fellow is Peter
http://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/topic-4907-0-105.html

Seriously the company should be called Plan C....we all know what the C stands for

elektro80 · Posted: Sun May 24, 2009 4:39 pm Post subject:

droolmaster0 · Joined: Sep 15, 2007 Posts: 10 Location: San Francisco

Peter's intentions are not good. That's the problem. If you actually read the threads on Muff's forum, you can see how he has lied to people, has taken apart repairs to make new modules, and has attacked people for coming forward. I have experienced Peter first hand, and this is not someone who's intentions are good, but is just in a bit over his head. He is a liar and a thief. The fact that this isn't some get rich scheme doesn't mitigate the fact that he does these things.

elektro80 · Posted: Mon May 25, 2009 12:01 am Post subject:

TekniK · Joined: Aug 10, 2008 Posts: 1062

soon Plan-PCB

abstraktor · Joined: Apr 27, 2009 Posts: 189 Location: glasgow, scotland

Hi folks
As a newcomer to modular synth forums, but not to electronic music and all its shades, I'd like to give my impressions of the whole Plan B tragedy -apologies if this breaks ettiqutes. I certainly dont want to be responsible for setting off a repeat of what has happened on the muff wiggler threads by rattling anyone's cage or want to be accused of "trolling" (not too fond of goats anyway). - there are a lot of angry people out there (who have a right to be angry, of course), but having spent the last few hours reading up on the strange Mr. Grenader/PB saga a couple of things have been obvious:

Modular Synthesists are a passionate bunch and feel betrayed by PB, not just because he may have swindled customers, but because he has betrayed a trust and an ethos which is intrinsic to this strange passion for MAS. The fact that PB's designs and concepts are much admired rubs salt in the wounds for the folks that have been cheated -as well as for us (well, me anyway) who would like to have had some in our systems, but will certainly be unlikely to do so, given the state of things.
On the bright side, there does seem to be a mushrooming of small enthusiatic companies who are producing exciting new modules -but let's all hope that they dont use PB as a business model.

Yours Resignedly

Abstraktor

elektro80 · Posted: Mon May 25, 2009 1:08 pm Post subject:

to Abstraktor!

elektro80 · Posted: Mon May 25, 2009 1:24 pm Post subject:

elektro80 · Posted: Tue May 26, 2009 2:59 pm Post subject:

I´m closing this thread.

What we really need is reliable news regarding Plan B being back in business and doing well. In order for that to happen all the issues with the less than pleased customers must be resolved. Continuing this thread seems pointless.

peterkadar · Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 3:43 am Post subject:

TekniK · Joined: Aug 10, 2008 Posts: 1062

phaedra · Joined: Sep 15, 2008 Posts: 32 Location: Bielefeld/Germany

I was in the lucky state to pay my Model 32 by PayPal via my credit card, so I got my money back. But my modules, which I've sent for repair I will never see again. This bastard Peter Grenader lies and lies and lies...

v-un-v · Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 9:23 am Post subject:

Blue Hell · Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 9:26 am Post subject:

Let's just do it, close it, that is.

elektro80 · Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 12:45 pm Post subject:

BTW, the thread over at muffwiggler´s is at:
http://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/topic-4907.html

Seems like the latest news is something like:

PG: