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jhaible
Joined: May 25, 2007 Posts: 2014 Location: Germany
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Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2009 12:09 am Post subject:
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A few ideas came into my head today, how to turn my Storm Tide Flanger (or something derived from it) into a PCB project.
Storm Tide is shown here:
http://www.jhaible.de/jh_storm_tide_flanger.html
This is also the device I've used for the delay part of my analogue physical modelling experiments:
http://www.jhaible.de/jh_ana_phys_mod.html
Just testing how big (or small) the interest in such a project would be.
(That would comprise of two PCBs, i.e. EUR 54 + shipping.)
Let me know ...
JH. _________________ "I tell you the truth, if anyone says to this mountain, 'Go, throw yourself into the sea,' and does not doubt in his heart but believes that what he says will happen, it will be done for him. Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours." (Mk 11,23f) |
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mono-poly
Joined: Jul 07, 2004 Posts: 937 Location: Rotterdam, Netherlands
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Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2009 1:02 am Post subject:
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Jurgen is unstopable.
And me to with buying pcbs |
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TekniK
Joined: Aug 10, 2008 Posts: 1059
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Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2009 2:50 am Post subject:
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Jawohl! but 2 boards!?
Am looking something like the modcan flanger for physical modelling tryouts.
but if its with an ocean of parts again,and twice.
Could u give more details plz,or a shot of the inside of the blue box would make things much clear maybe.. |
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StephenGiles
Joined: Apr 17, 2006 Posts: 507 Location: England
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Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2009 3:00 am Post subject:
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TekniK wrote: | Jawohl! but 2 boards!?
Am looking something like the modcan flanger for physical modelling tryouts.
but if its with an ocean of parts again,and twice.
Could u give more details plz,or a shot of the inside of the blue box would make things much clear maybe.. |
The Modcan Flanger was designed I think by Mike Irwin, who has recently disappeared from the various forums. If you're out there Mike I hope you are well and still designing. Mike posted a sample of thru zero flanging achieved with just one BBD and presumably fixed phase shift networks (I'm guessing) but I don't know if it was done using the modcan. |
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Funky40
Joined: Sep 24, 2005 Posts: 875 Location: Swiss
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Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2009 6:04 am Post subject:
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I'm in
i'm also very interested in the modcan Flanger but can't afford this.
Is there some similaritys soundwise ?
http://www.modcan.com/bseries/modulesb.html
module 38B |
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numbertalk
Joined: May 05, 2008 Posts: 992 Location: Austin, TX
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Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2009 6:30 am Post subject:
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Wow, you are really productive
Will this use the SAD1024? The inability to get one, or the cost, would be the only thing to make me sit this one out, so you can most likely count me in for a board! |
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2thick4uni
Joined: Feb 20, 2009 Posts: 113 Location: UK
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Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2009 10:46 am Post subject:
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I'd definitely have a set of boards, storm tide style flanger + physical modelling would do it for me!
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jhaible
Joined: May 25, 2007 Posts: 2014 Location: Germany
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Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2009 12:52 pm Post subject:
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TekniK wrote: | Jawohl! but 2 boards!?
Am looking something like the modcan flanger for physical modelling tryouts.
but if its with an ocean of parts again,and twice.
Could u give more details plz,or a shot of the inside of the blue box would make things much clear maybe.. |
Hmm ... I try to put a lot of extra stuff on my PCBs so you have more value for money .. but you can omit parts of th ecircuit if you want less.
For instance, half of my upcoming Variable Slope Filter / Phaser is a very complex LFO with crossfade of waveforms, and a Sample and Hold, and audio rate modulation. If you don't want this, you simply omit it and leave half the PCB unpopulated.
In case of the Son Of Storm Tide, I'll probably make one board with the audio part, discrete compander and clock circuit, and one board with power supply and a lot of interesting modulation circuits. So if you want a Flanger for your modular, you simply buy the audio board only. If you want a standalone unit, you buy both boards.
JH. _________________ "I tell you the truth, if anyone says to this mountain, 'Go, throw yourself into the sea,' and does not doubt in his heart but believes that what he says will happen, it will be done for him. Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours." (Mk 11,23f) |
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TekniK
Joined: Aug 10, 2008 Posts: 1059
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Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2009 2:03 pm Post subject:
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Ok thanks Juergen.
Your designs suits more the stand-alone box effect,am thinking more modular wise
For example when u design an uber VC lfo with all bits and pieces ,put 3 like this on 1 pcb and done.
This way there is the most complex lfo avail-able that can be patched to any module rather then including more or less complex lfo's on each separated design
But maybe am wrong,anyhow from the start ur adding complex modulation source to a design this one could stand and sell alone as well. |
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jhaible
Joined: May 25, 2007 Posts: 2014 Location: Germany
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Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2009 10:21 pm Post subject:
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TekniK wrote: |
Your designs suits more the stand-alone box effect,am thinking more modular wise
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For me it's important to cover *both*. As I said, it's always possible to omit the components you don't need in the modular application, and still not have a bigger PCB than the average synth module has.
In fact, I even think about selling my variable slope phaser / filter PCB as a "scanned LFO" module as well. Omit the phaser part, and you still get an unusual modulation source for a decent price.
Or forget about the Phaser and Modulation source: Omit the LFO and scanner part, and also omit the electronic switches - and just build a Variable Slope 6-pole VCF (with 36dB/Octave filter slope). I don't want to come across braggy, but I think the price I'm asking for my PCBs might be a good deal for just that 36dB-VCF function alone. And the components you have to buy would be ridiculously cheap. (No more sea of components.)
But this should be over in the other thread about the phaser. I just wanted to use it as an example for my general design philosophy here. I can always layout a PCB that is less dense. I guess making a board with half the components would take 1/10 of my time. But it would be less fun.
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But maybe am wrong,anyhow from the start ur adding complex modulation source to a design this one could stand and sell alone as well. |
I hope so!
JH. _________________ "I tell you the truth, if anyone says to this mountain, 'Go, throw yourself into the sea,' and does not doubt in his heart but believes that what he says will happen, it will be done for him. Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours." (Mk 11,23f) |
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numbertalk
Joined: May 05, 2008 Posts: 992 Location: Austin, TX
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Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 6:28 am Post subject:
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Will this PCB use the SAD1024 or do you plan to redesign at all to work well with another possibly more readily available chip? On your site you do mention being able to use other chips but also say you'd have to redesign your circuit a bit to do so - will it be easier to drop in a different chip set with this PCB? |
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jhaible
Joined: May 25, 2007 Posts: 2014 Location: Germany
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Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 8:36 am Post subject:
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numbertalk wrote: | Will this PCB use the SAD1024 or do you plan to redesign at all to work well with another possibly more readily available chip? On your site you do mention being able to use other chips but also say you'd have to redesign your circuit a bit to do so - will it be easier to drop in a different chip set with this PCB? |
No SAD1024.
Either TDA1022, or something else.
JH. _________________ "I tell you the truth, if anyone says to this mountain, 'Go, throw yourself into the sea,' and does not doubt in his heart but believes that what he says will happen, it will be done for him. Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours." (Mk 11,23f) |
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numbertalk
Joined: May 05, 2008 Posts: 992 Location: Austin, TX
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Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 8:40 am Post subject:
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Great, then definitely count me in!
jhaible wrote: | numbertalk wrote: | Will this PCB use the SAD1024 or do you plan to redesign at all to work well with another possibly more readily available chip? On your site you do mention being able to use other chips but also say you'd have to redesign your circuit a bit to do so - will it be easier to drop in a different chip set with this PCB? |
No SAD1024.
Either TDA1022, or something else.
JH. |
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jhaible
Joined: May 25, 2007 Posts: 2014 Location: Germany
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Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 8:46 am Post subject:
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If there are enough TDA1022 around, that will be my first choice. It's been used in the TAM-19 Flanger, after all.
If the TDA1022 really starts to dry up (I still have a lot of triple chorus boards I want to sell, and there's always the Elka Synthex Chorus lurking in the background with its four 1022's ... oops ... I shouldn't say too much ....) - well I normally don't like like the low voltage BBDs, but *maybe* I find a decent workaround to use them in that *particular* project. Maybe, maybe not.
JH. _________________ "I tell you the truth, if anyone says to this mountain, 'Go, throw yourself into the sea,' and does not doubt in his heart but believes that what he says will happen, it will be done for him. Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours." (Mk 11,23f) |
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Moogah
Joined: Dec 26, 2007 Posts: 26 Location: USA
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Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 12:38 pm Post subject:
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Sweet A good analog flanger is a noticeable hole in my current arsenal of effects. I'm in for one. |
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whomper
Joined: Dec 15, 2007 Posts: 201 Location: Israel
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zthee
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wicked1
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Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 11:36 am Post subject:
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TekniK wrote: | Ok thanks Juergen.
Your designs suits more the stand-alone box effect,am thinking more modular wise
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I'm really liking the built in LFO's and extras. I am very modular minded these days, but the things that are included are things that would be patched 80% of the time anyway. Then, I haven't seen the schematics, but I'm guessing you could use the LFO from something like the filter, as just an LFO for another module if you aren't using it for the filter at that time.
The built on extras have inspired me to build a little JH section of my modular.. probably actually in its own cabinet, and w/ a default patch. That way friends who don't usually use modulars will be able to just plug it in, and play what would usually be a very busy patch.
(think of the savings in patch cable cost alone ) |
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JoeMorris
Joined: Apr 26, 2009 Posts: 161 Location: Brighton
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Posted: Sun Apr 26, 2009 4:21 pm Post subject:
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Having just completed the Triple Chorus as my first DIY project and loving it, you can definitely count me in for one of these. Ive still got a couple of spare TDA1022s from that too, so if it uses those then double thumbs up. |
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oldschool57
Joined: Nov 15, 2006 Posts: 17 Location: Bellerose, NY
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Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2009 3:41 pm Post subject:
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What features will this unit have as compared to the original Storm Tide?
Bounce? Foldback? Env. Mod/Release? Etc, etc...
Thanks!
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jhaible
Joined: May 25, 2007 Posts: 2014 Location: Germany
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Posted: Fri May 01, 2009 4:30 am Post subject:
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oldschool57 wrote: | What features will this unit have as compared to the original Storm Tide?
Bounce? Foldback? Env. Mod/Release? Etc, etc...
Thanks!
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That's not decided yet ...
JH. _________________ "I tell you the truth, if anyone says to this mountain, 'Go, throw yourself into the sea,' and does not doubt in his heart but believes that what he says will happen, it will be done for him. Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours." (Mk 11,23f) |
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jhaible
Joined: May 25, 2007 Posts: 2014 Location: Germany
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Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 8:35 am Post subject:
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It's official!
I'm taking a break from Vocoder design (I knew I couldn't do that in one go!), and meanwhile it's time to get that Flanger on the way!
I think it will be better than the old Storm Tide, in that it features symmetrical 1/x modulation (for faked TZF) as well as a temperature compensated V/Oct tracking (for Physical Modelling).
I attach a screenshot of an earl ystage of the PCB design to this post ...
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_________________ "I tell you the truth, if anyone says to this mountain, 'Go, throw yourself into the sea,' and does not doubt in his heart but believes that what he says will happen, it will be done for him. Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours." (Mk 11,23f) |
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whomper
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Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 8:46 am Post subject:
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Great! Looking forward for that project.
Which of the more obscure components will be present? I saw the 2xTDA1022 _________________ Erez Yaary
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jhaible
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Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 8:54 am Post subject:
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whomper wrote: | Great! Looking forward for that project.
Which of the more obscure components will be present? I saw the 2xTDA1022 |
Yes, the TDA1022's. And a 1k tempco resistor. One 3086 (or 3046). The rest is garden variety stuff.
JH. _________________ "I tell you the truth, if anyone says to this mountain, 'Go, throw yourself into the sea,' and does not doubt in his heart but believes that what he says will happen, it will be done for him. Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours." (Mk 11,23f) |
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vtl5c3
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Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 9:38 am Post subject:
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Does anyone know of a source for more TDA1022s? I just searched the web and found nothing. |
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