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Stream Operator
Joined: Oct 13, 2007 Posts: 6221 Location: near Austin, Tx, USA
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Posted: Sun Mar 21, 2010 5:00 am Post subject:
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I presume this will be a wooden Klee? Another fun build from wmonk!
Les _________________ "Let's make noise for peace." - Kijjaz |
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Skrog Productions
Joined: Jan 07, 2009 Posts: 1196 Location: Scottish Borders
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Posted: Sun Mar 21, 2010 7:26 am Post subject:
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great panel design Thomas |
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kkissinger
Joined: Mar 28, 2006 Posts: 1356 Location: Kansas City, Mo USA
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Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 7:45 am Post subject:
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I finally designed my panel. I looked through many panels and this one caught my eye:
http://electro-music.com/forum/topic-21954.html&postorder=asc&highlight=klee+sequencer&start=298
This panel creates a separate section for the voltage programmers, the pattern programmer, and the gate bus switches.
I extended the concept and managed a design that fits nicely into a quadruple sized Aries panel (12" wide, 9" high).
When I get home this evening, I will post a pic.
I'm currently in the throes of wiring it up. I have all the strap wiring in place and am building the cables now. I hope to have it up and running within the week.
I'm really excited at the prospect of having a Klee Sequencer --
since I finished a pair of MFOS Voltage Quantizers, I've had a great time with my existing Aries Sequencer which is a very basic 8x2 design with no bells or whistles.
By far the most time-consuming part of the Klee Sequencer build has been to design a front panel. Thus, the thought of building a second one isn't so daunting to me now that I have a design.
It took an evening to drill my panel, though -- 107 parts -- **whew!**
And -- after I had it all drilled and labeled, I discovered that I left the clock LED off of the panel (I also mislabeled the 8x2/16x1 selector). Well, I managed to drill another hole for the clock LED -- ugh, what a stupid thing to forget! Probably the result of working too late with the onset of fatigue.
The mislabel was a cut and paste that I must have forgotten to change. It is a cosmetic issue that I'll fix later. _________________ -- Kevin
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EdisonRex
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Joined: Mar 07, 2007 Posts: 4579 Location: London, UK
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Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 2:27 pm Post subject:
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I forgot the random reference LED from my panel. Amazing how long one looks at the panel when one is designing it too... and still miss it completely.
Anyway, I look forward to hearing what you do with it. _________________ Garret: It's so retro.
EGM: What does retro mean to you?
Parker: Like, old and outdated.
Home,My Studio,and another view |
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psioniclabs
Joined: Feb 04, 2009 Posts: 23 Location: Louisville, KY
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Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 3:45 pm Post subject:
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Figured this is a good place to show off my panel rather than the troubleshooting thread I had it tucked away in.
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Danno Gee Ray
Joined: Sep 25, 2005 Posts: 1351 Location: Telford, PA USA
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Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 4:04 pm Post subject:
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Most Sick !! |
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Sound
Joined: Jun 06, 2006 Posts: 842
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Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 4:05 pm Post subject:
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psioniclabs, the job that you did is just amazing, sincerely congratulations.
Actually Im thinking in a future mod my klee with new features, and I was thinking in also make a PCB for hold the front panel components, do you have reference numbers of potentiometers and switches? |
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Sound
Joined: Jun 06, 2006 Posts: 842
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Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 4:06 pm Post subject:
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Ops! they are pots with led? |
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kkissinger
Joined: Mar 28, 2006 Posts: 1356 Location: Kansas City, Mo USA
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psioniclabs
Joined: Feb 04, 2009 Posts: 23 Location: Louisville, KY
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Sound
Joined: Jun 06, 2006 Posts: 842
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Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 2:26 pm Post subject:
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Thanks very much for your reply psionicslabs. Do you have the link to that blog? Last edited by Sound on Thu Apr 01, 2010 2:30 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Sound
Joined: Jun 06, 2006 Posts: 842
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Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 2:29 pm Post subject:
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kkisinger you designg is pretty elegant.
What is the material? steel painted? how do you print the labels? |
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kkissinger
Joined: Mar 28, 2006 Posts: 1356 Location: Kansas City, Mo USA
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Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 9:28 pm Post subject:
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Sound wrote: | kkisinger you designg is pretty elegant.
What is the material? steel painted? how do you print the labels? |
Thank you, Sound.
The panels are 1/16" aluminum painted satin black. I used Front Designer software to design the panels and used DecalProFX to create the actual decals. _________________ -- Kevin
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fonik
Joined: Jun 07, 2006 Posts: 3950 Location: Germany
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Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 10:40 am Post subject:
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i still have a 2nd set of klee2 PCBs in the drawer and i toy with the idea of building myself a eurorack module from it despite my backlog)! currently i shrunk it to 60HP using pushbuttons with built in LEDs (as seen on my LPG with gate controlled mode). i would replace the manual range selection switch by a voltage controlled switch.
what do you think? ideas?
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matthias
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kkissinger
Joined: Mar 28, 2006 Posts: 1356 Location: Kansas City, Mo USA
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Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 10:59 am Post subject:
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fonik wrote: | what do you think? ideas? |
Very efficient design.
Perhaps if you went with narrow knobs (such as are used on mixing consoles) so that you gain a little more clearance for turning the knobs.
In general, I have (thus far) designed for a little more horizontal clearance than vertical clearance because when I grab the knobs, my fingers are on the left and right side of the knob.
To combine the switches with LEDs is a great idea -- and certainly a space-saver! _________________ -- Kevin
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marmad
Joined: May 21, 2010 Posts: 7 Location: Netherlands
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Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 9:25 am Post subject:
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Matthias - beautiful panel design. I would concur with kkissinger's idea about smaller knobs for a little more space between.
One other thing you might include (if it's important for you) is a switch for synchronous/asynchronous loading (although I'm not sure how it would fit into your design). I'm coming up with a simple mod for the Klee2 PCBs to provide that functionality if you're interested. |
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fonik
Joined: Jun 07, 2006 Posts: 3950 Location: Germany
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Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 1:29 pm Post subject:
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thanks, marmad.
i think state machine offers a nice little project for synced loading. however, i am used to control my sequencers with dividers to keep/get them in sync. so no need for me.
good idea about the knobs! i wanted to keep it in a 16th row for clarity, so smaller knobs would be good. additional i thought about using slide switches for the gate buss. they need more space behind the front panel, but to the front end they are not in the way as toggles would be... _________________
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matthias
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TheAncientOne
Joined: Dec 26, 2006 Posts: 144 Location: United Kingdom
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Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 6:20 am Post subject:
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On the topic of knob sizes, here are two sequencer knob strips I'm working on. Both design for 19 inch rack mount panels.
Bottom one is part of a P3, designed to use the 16mm ReAn soft touch knobs a lot of us use. OK to twiddle, but a bit restricted.
Top one is a section of a 'Milton', (I'm currently shaking a few bugs out of he rather idiosyncratic design to make the LEDs work better). Pots are slightly wider spaced, and I got some ReAn P400s from Mouser. Much easier to use. I'm not sure if Mouser stock these in spline fit - they ones I got were for 'D' shaft knobs. The 'Milton' parts I got came with some Panasonic PCB mount pots. A big thank you to Tom Arnold for the kit, and to Cynthia Webster for advice on how to upgrade the LED and output drivers.
There is a little mentioned factor to think about here though: the 'gearing' effect of knob diameter vs fingers. Small knobs are harder to get fine settings with. Having started out in life with old valve, (tube), based test equipment, where a small knob was typically 20mm/0.75" diameter, and the main controls likely to be over 35mm / 1.5", I can certainly see the advantage in a big, wide spaced panel. Not many of us have the sort of space Raymond Scott had though, or would want to do all that walking up and down the synth. Good quality mixer style knobs are certainly a good idea in multiple arrays.
Some of you may have detected a slight sequencer fetish going on here......
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kkissinger
Joined: Mar 28, 2006 Posts: 1356 Location: Kansas City, Mo USA
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arnoid
Joined: Aug 23, 2009 Posts: 57 Location: Belgium
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Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2011 3:51 am Post subject:
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Finished my klee sequencer on the 28 of december 2010 and it worked directly though some switches where reversed (wire's) but that was an easy fix .
Verry powerful and versitale sequencer / tool !! I'm verry happy with it, the construction time was certainly worth the effort
The module is 4U (serge) like the rest of my modules.
I based my design on Thomas white's design but made a more compact version.
Don't look to the ugly tape on the other new modules I still have to screw them into the rack...
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haxster
Joined: Feb 01, 2006 Posts: 246 Location: MONTEREY PARK, CA 91754
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Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2011 12:17 am Post subject:
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I am gearing up to make myself a Euro format Klee. I made a Front Control Panel PCB. I haven't ordered it yet. It's made to match the connectors for the Klee set. I don't know how I'm gonna mount the Actual Klee boards yet. Piggy back most likely. It is about 52HP wide
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sneakthief
Joined: Jul 24, 2006 Posts: 569 Location: Berlin
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The Bad Producer
Joined: Mar 08, 2009 Posts: 282 Location: The Manhole
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mig27
Joined: Mar 09, 2011 Posts: 21 Location: Berlin
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Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2011 2:59 am Post subject:
Slide pots: Which lever length? |
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Hey everyone,
I'm about to order Bourns LED slide pots for my Klee and was wondering which lever length is recommended if I mount them à la Krunkus.
There are 3 versions available: 10, 15 and 19mm.
I guess the latter?
Thanks!
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State Machine
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Joined: Apr 17, 2006 Posts: 2809 Location: New York
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Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 4:42 pm Post subject:
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Quote: | There are 3 versions available: 10, 15 and 19mm.
I guess the latter? |
Yup, will give you the best resolution.
I just stopped in to see the latest panels and stuff and man, I am impressed with all this great work !!!
Bill |
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