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Stream Operator

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Posted: Thu May 20, 2010 3:30 am Post subject:
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I just figured out my dream synth and I'm gonna build it. What's your dream synth?
Les _________________ "Let's make noise for peace." - Kijjaz |
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iPassenger

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Posted: Thu May 20, 2010 3:38 am Post subject:
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Well I am not sure I have a dream synth but I dreamt about a drum machine once, it was similar to the Machinedrum I've got but a bit fatter looking with a larger red screen.. It had a fully analog section for sculpting your own drum sounds from and a sampler section with a analog filter and distortions but importantly it was all neatly put together with a similar interface of that of the Machinedrum. In other words it was easy to use, logical and a proper instrument.
I was gutted when I woke up and realised that I neither had one nor did it exist.  _________________ iP (Ross)
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nobody
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Posted: Thu May 20, 2010 6:37 am Post subject:
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I literally have a dream synth. When I was a kid, I dreamt I walked into an old childhood bedroom of mine. On the bed was a 61-key synth that looked like a much-simplified Yamaha Motif (of course, the Motif wasn't even invented at the time of my dream, I'm describing it with what I know now). I did not need to physically touch the synth or be connected to it in any physical way. I thought the music and the synth played whatever I was thinking.
I woke up, naturally, going "Holy shit! I need one of those!" |
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Antimon

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Posted: Thu May 20, 2010 12:00 pm Post subject:
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I always forget my dreams, but I've daydreamed a bit about controllers like these (my submissions for that portugese invention competition someone posted about here some time ago - I forget what it was called).
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GovernorSilver

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Posted: Thu May 20, 2010 3:37 pm Post subject:
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Someone on the fiddle forum dreamt up a Roland Virtual Violin (he didn't say that specifically, but his description was eerily close to that of a Roland VG-99, except for violins). You could plug a polyphonic pickup violin, and have a choice of violin models (Guarneri model, Stradivari model, baritone model, custom model, etc.), non-violin instrument models (brass, woodwinds, Er-Hu, Kemancheh, the near-obligatory "synth" model, etc.) plus the usual assortment of pedal and amp models.
So I guess the Roland VV-99 would be my dream synth too. _________________ VIRB site |
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pyrosonic

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nobody
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Posted: Fri May 21, 2010 7:56 am Post subject:
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| Stefan, those arrays are cool. Why not build one? What about a combo wheel/track ball array? |
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nobody
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Posted: Fri May 21, 2010 7:58 am Post subject:
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| Inventor wrote: | I just figured out my dream synth and I'm gonna build it. What's your dream synth?
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Wanna share? |
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Antimon

Joined: Jan 18, 2005 Posts: 3370 Location: Sweden
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Posted: Fri May 21, 2010 8:42 am Post subject:
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| audiodef wrote: | | Stefan, those arrays are cool. Why not build one? What about a combo wheel/track ball array? |
While I've had fun soldering kits, actually working out the electronics behind something like this is something I can't handle. Actually, I tried studying electronics at one time, and it drove me up the wall (two hours looking at an equation, a teacher walks by and says "Oh, you can approximate that this value is so small/large that it doesn't matter - take it out of the equation" - I don't do that stuff, it's on or off for me).
Glad you liked it anyway. A combo could work too!
/Stefan _________________ Antimon's Window
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kkissinger

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Posted: Fri May 21, 2010 10:06 am Post subject:
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Interesting question, really. A tough one for me to answer.
Digital Dream Synth
My K2600 is as close to a digital "dream synth" as I can imagine. Ever since I encountered a Kurzweil for the first time (back around 1989) I dreamed of owning something like that however the five-figure price put it into the "unobtainable" category. When I found a K2600 for under $2K (back around 2002) I jumped at the opportunity -- since then I installed the sampling option, additional sample memory, and the DADAT-26 which enables 8-channel, 48khz/24 bit output. I kind of lucked out to find a K2600 at the price.
Analog Dream synth
The Aries is still a dream-synth for me. As of 1980, I had expanded it to be a good "meat-and-potatoes" keyboard modular synth. I mention keyboards because it is biased towards keyboard performance and when I built it I was interested in Switched-on music a la Carlos. I'm now adding new, more exotic modules for control, processing, and signal generation.
As far as my dreams, I dream more about the music I'd like to do than the hardware -- the hardware is the means to the music. Since I like to do multi-track and looping work, I strive for clarity and excellent s/n ratios. In the "old days" noise buildup while tracking and looping was a big issue.
Dream p/a system
My musical dream is to play through more channels -- currently my system supports 5.1 however I'd like to expand it and have some speakers in non-standard locations. The sound-design with 5.1 is somewhat limited in live-performance spaces -- particularly in the sense that the sound source is limited to the periphery of the listening space. I'd like to put speakers over and in the middle of the listeners, for example.
I'm developing a voltage-controlled quad (or greater) panner for the Aries synth -- still in the works and to some extent, such a module will help me to realize some of my ideas. _________________ -- Kevin
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Stream Operator

Joined: Oct 13, 2007 Posts: 5947 Location: San Antonio, Tx, USA
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Posted: Fri May 21, 2010 10:46 am Post subject:
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| audiodef wrote: | | Inventor wrote: | I just figured out my dream synth and I'm gonna build it. What's your dream synth?
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It's the Credit Card Synth, described in this thread:
http://www.electro-music.com/forum/topic-41976.html
It's a very simple little thing, but to me it is a dream come true because I've been working in software and hardware developing and exploring this thing for about two and a half years now. It's a dreamy little thing, lol.
Les _________________ "Let's make noise for peace." - Kijjaz |
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Octahedra

Joined: Nov 29, 2008 Posts: 149 Location: Cheshire, UK
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Posted: Fri May 21, 2010 10:52 am Post subject:
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| Inventor wrote: | | What's your dream synth? |
First thing that occurs to me: I'd like a Poly Evolver with 16 voices/parts, independent full audio fx, and (this is the bit you can't do by patching multiple hardware together) microtonal scales on each voice.
As for a completely new design, I really like the idea of a polyphonic/multitimbral virtual modular, but programmable directly through its own hardware interface, rather than (as in the Nord ones) depending on software that might not get updated to keep it compatible with newer operating systems. I've always programmed by the front panel rather than software - my first synth was a DX11, and after that piece of evil, nothing scares me!
Looks like some people are working on this idea...
http://www.johnbowen.com/solaris-overview.html
http://www.arturia.com/evolution/en/products/origin/intro.html
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Stream Operator

Joined: Oct 13, 2007 Posts: 5947 Location: San Antonio, Tx, USA
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Posted: Fri May 21, 2010 11:11 am Post subject:
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Here's a thought based on that ball array. Put a 3-axis accelerometer chip controlling the audio of some noise maker in a ball. The ball is a whiffle ball with holes in it so an internal speaker can be heard. Then when you roll the ball around it makes sound. Cute, maybe not a dream synth but cute i guess.
Les _________________ "Let's make noise for peace." - Kijjaz |
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Antimon

Joined: Jan 18, 2005 Posts: 3370 Location: Sweden
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Posted: Fri May 21, 2010 11:50 am Post subject:
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| Inventor wrote: | Here's a thought based on that ball array. Put a 3-axis accelerometer chip controlling the audio of some noise maker in a ball. The ball is a whiffle ball with holes in it so an internal speaker can be heard. Then when you roll the ball around it makes sound. Cute, maybe not a dream synth but cute i guess.
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Cool idea! I'd like to have an accelerometer in a ball and use it as a controller! I've tried using Wiimotes and phones for controlling, but I always think it feels kind of awkward. If you had one in a ball, resting in a trackball crevace, you would have really good control of the movements. The tricky part is getting the accelerometer data stream... would probably require some kind of wireless transmission, which might be extra tricky in an object that is constantly spinning around.
/Stefan _________________ Antimon's Window
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ian-s

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Posted: Fri May 21, 2010 3:15 pm Post subject:
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| Antimon wrote: | | While I've had fun soldering kits, actually working out the electronics behind something like this is something I can't handle. |
What about mounting the guts of an optical mouse under each ball (free back light). Use a microcontroller to glue all the USB signals together. |
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Stream Operator

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Posted: Fri May 21, 2010 3:43 pm Post subject:
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| ian-s wrote: | | Antimon wrote: | | While I've had fun soldering kits, actually working out the electronics behind something like this is something I can't handle. |
What about mounting the guts of an optical mouse under each ball (free back light). Use a microcontroller to glue all the USB signals together. |
One way to build this interface is to simply mount an array of trackballs onto a backing plate and use USB hubs to connect them all to the computer... Not sure if some limit on the number of mouse encoders exists.
Les _________________ "Let's make noise for peace." - Kijjaz |
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Antimon

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Posted: Fri May 21, 2010 3:47 pm Post subject:
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I've actually had that as a project in the back of my head for some time. I guess that besides being bad at electronics I'm also lazy. But I've checked that ChucK can handle several mice/trackballs/touchpads/whatever on OSX, which it does!
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Antimon

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Posted: Fri May 21, 2010 3:49 pm Post subject:
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Besides, I'm actually more excited about the wheel array. I love the feel of a mod wheel - you can control it in a precise manner. If you could make the wheels roll endlessly (perhaps using some optical tech like with mice or trackballs) I think it would be a very cool controller indeed.
/Stefan _________________ Antimon's Window
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nobody
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Posted: Fri May 21, 2010 7:34 pm Post subject:
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O.... M... F... G! Just based on the audio samples alone, I'm drooling over the Solaris. Unfortunately, it'll be a while before I have $4k. The deposit, I can come up with not too far down the road.
Thanks for the link, Gordon! Holy frigging WOW! |
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bachus

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Posted: Sat May 22, 2010 5:45 pm Post subject:
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I think my dream synth would be a sample player with 6 voice polyphony but able to weave each voice out of any number of samples with the equivalent of a Kyma-Pacarana behind each voice. And, of course loaded, with all my sample libraries _________________ The question is not whether they can talk or reason, but whether they can suffer. -- Jeremy Bentham |
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modulator_esp
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Posted: Sat May 22, 2010 6:31 pm Post subject:
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my dream synth would be something like a Nord modular G2 with modules modelled on existing analogue circuits that were sonically indistinguishable from the real thing, with the ability to patch without needing a PC and enough DSP to switch sounds and patch without the horrible silence you get now _________________ Jez
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Stream Operator

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Posted: Sat May 22, 2010 10:27 pm Post subject:
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While some of these dream synths require complex user interfaces or impossible ones with current technology, there does seem to be a commonality to some of them. Apparently polyphany and generally multiple outputs is a big deal, among other themes. I wonder if we should gather up ideas and consider building such a synth, as hardware or software... just a thought.
Les _________________ "Let's make noise for peace." - Kijjaz |
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Jack_Hertz

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Posted: Sun May 23, 2010 8:24 am Post subject:
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I want a wave table synthesizer that will do real-time re-sampling with assignable modulation at a harmonic level. There should also been an array of DSPs that I can configure to work as any combination of effects. _________________ Web Site - Encyclotronica |
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DrJustice

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Posted: Sun May 23, 2010 10:19 am Post subject:
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| modulator_esp wrote: | | my dream synth would be something like a Nord modular G2 with modules modelled on existing analogue circuits that were sonically indistinguishable from the real thing, with the ability to patch without needing a PC and enough DSP to switch sounds and patch without the horrible silence you get now |
Sounds like you want an Origin. I just ordered one...
As for the dream synth, I spent a considerable time designing a stand alone digital modular which would be it.
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nobody
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Posted: Sun May 23, 2010 6:43 pm Post subject:
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| DrJustice wrote: | Sounds like you want an Origin. I just ordered one...
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I would love to hear some samples when you get it. |
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