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PostPosted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 1:45 pm    Post subject:  AltKeyboards-gory details of new instruments ready to ...
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It is hard to invent to build an alternative instrument, a new interface. I can testify through personal experience that it is ten times harder, at least, to then go the extra distance and learn how to play it and set it up for a performance.

Consequently we've started an open web site, http://sites.google.com/site/altkeyboards/ where all these things are documented clearly.

Call for contributors. If you have a contribution to make, we will happily make you a columnist or contributor. After all, building the thing is the easy part. Learning how to play the thing, etc. is the challenge. I hope that we can share tips, software and have fun.

Ken Rushton and a loose group of assistants.
PS. See the www.MusicScienceGuy.com website, my new personal blog
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 4:28 pm    Post subject: Re: AltKeyboards-gory details of new instruments ready to ...
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MusicScienceGuy wrote:
I can testify through personal experience that it is ten times harder, at least, to then go the extra distance and learn how to play it and set it up for a performance.


Hi Ken,

have you seen this post Question

it's even harder when you leave the well trodden path of the usual tuning system and try to use your "new instrument" for alternative tuning systems Wink tell me about it Cool

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 12:55 pm    Post subject:  Re: AltKeyboards-gory details of new instruments ready to ...
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seraph wrote:
Hi Ken,

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it's even harder when you leave the well trodden path of the usual tuning system and try to use your "new instrument" for alternative tuning systems Wink tell me about it Cool


Wow. that's an amazingly consonant-sounding piece, considering the tuning you are using. Cool

I was planning on tweaking the tuning a bit on my jammer - sharping the octave so the 5ths can be justly tuned, and having different tuning on my sharps and flats. but you've gone well beyond that. How have you found your Chameleon working out?

Anyway. I'm beavering away on my website on making it easy for anyone to build a 2-dimensional keyboard. Next comes a 3rd and possibly a 4th dimension. Fun stuff - and the gateway to multi-tonality.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 4:48 pm    Post subject: Re: AltKeyboards-gory details of new instruments ready to ...
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How have you found your Chameleon working out?
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Anyway. I'm beavering away on my website on making it easy for anyone to build a 2-dimensional keyboard. Next comes a 3rd and possibly a 4th dimension. Fun stuff - and the gateway to multi-tonality.


My Chameleon works great Very Happy a 2-dimensional keyboard is hard enough to master, never mind the 3-dimensional ones Wink

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 5:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Here's a simple 2-D keyboard.

The video below is a practice run, It is intended to demonstrate 3 things:
-The scale shows that the jammer keyboard makes a surprisingly good piano: all the keys plus a few more are there.
-The arpeggio shows that the basic hand & finger movement is smaller, and that an arpeggio, one of the key elements in music is easy.
-The nursery rhyme song with two hands is intended to show how mirroring makes fingering simpler.
-3-D? think about it, also notice what I do with my thumb.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qHT-kiaXqw

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 10, 2010 1:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

MusicScienceGuy wrote:

-3-D? think about it, also notice what I do with my thumb.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qHT-kiaXqw

You seem to use only 3 fingers for each hand (no thumbs), right?

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That's right, the thumb is freed up to do other things.
in playing normal music I plan to have the left thumb play the root/dominant/sub-dominant in the octave or 2 below the accompaniment. While the right thumb will do things to the right-hand's sound e.g. pitch bend, vibrato etc.

but of course, one can get a bit more creative. one can have the thumb micro-tone the notes, or ove can have the left and right hands map to two complimentary pitch-spaces - another way to get 3 dimensions.

What would you suggest be the cleanest way to do it? Cleanest = easiest way to get a learnable, understandable interface?

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What would you suggest be the cleanest way to do it? Cleanest = easiest way to get a learnable, understandable interface?


I really don't know. I have to say the only reason I became interested in isomorphic keyboards was because of alternative tuning systems. If it was only for 12tET I would have stayed with the Halberstadt keyboard.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2010 2:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

So how does my design, with 2 symetrical keyboards, each under a hand, compare to the opal, with one larger array under two hands?
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So how does my design, with 2 symetrical keyboards, each under a hand, compare to the opal, with one larger array under two hands?
ken.


on my Chameleon, for example, I can have both hands on the same side of the keyboard. I don't know if that is the case on yours.
My array keyboard is not symmetrical, it is "linearly" bi-dimensional.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 10:28 pm    Post subject: Re: AltKeyboards-gory details of new instruments ready to ...
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Consequently we've started an open web site, http://sites.google.com/site/altkeyboards/ where all these things are documented clearly.


The new website name is www.altkeyboards.com
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