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PostPosted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 8:00 pm    Post subject: TR-808 Snare Stripboard Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I have drawn up this stripboard diagram of the 808 snare. Unfortunately I have yet to build it and it is thus still 'unconfirmed' at time of posting. I have gone over this quite a lot and I'm pretty confident this will work. I am going away for a week or so, so wont have a chance to try it until I get back. Sad I generally don't like postings of circuits which are unverified... but here I am doing it myself!! Laughing

If anyone is interested I shall be able to confirm this in about two weeks time, so check back then. In the meantime, if there is any brave soul willing to give this a punt, then great!! Also if someone with some spare time would like to go over the schematic and compare it to this stripboard layout, it would be much appreciated.... I may have missed something... you never know.

The schematic I worked off was the one Eric Archer did from the original Roland 808 one. You can find it here:

http://ericarcher.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/tr808_snare_diy_project.pdf

You'll notice the component labeling on my list follows Eric's. I did it this way to make this stripboard compatible with his schematic diagram. One other thing.... The 2N3704 transistor may not be easily obtainable these days. I believe the PN100 is the replacement for this.

I'll update these illustrations and keep them current if any corrections occur. Hope you like the retro 808 artwork! Laughing

EDIT: Updated component list 19 January 2011


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 9:04 pm    Post subject: Re: TR-808 Snare Stripboard Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

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I may have missed something... you never know.


Your stripboard layout, prehaps? Confused

I'd love to have a go at this once it's online Wink

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 9:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

sorry about that! Laughing The images came up huge so I resized them.... they should be there now! Embarassed Laughing
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 18, 2010 1:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

That's a nice looking layout minus.
Well done.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 18, 2010 1:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Thanks Krunkus! Very Happy This stripboard obsession is all your fault! Laughing It all started with your WSG.... You know, stripboarders are a dying breed. Everyone seems to prefer perfboard (or should i say, perfer Laughing ). If this circuit tests ok, I might work my way through the rest of the voices.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 18, 2010 2:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Yes! Gorgeous artwork!! Cool

A mistake I often made in the past, coming largely from a graphic perspective, is that I got the artwork spot on, but my engineering skills left a lot to be desired (ie, they are shit!! Laughing Laughing )

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 18, 2010 2:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

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Yes! Gorgeous artwork!! Cool

A mistake I often made in the past, coming largely from a graphic perspective, is that I got the artwork spot on, but my engineering skills left a lot to be desired (ie, they are shit!! Laughing Laughing )



Nooooooooo..... Don't say that! It's so true! Laughing For example: I've spent so much time in the past on worrying about perfect hand drawn letter forms, only to realise I've made a spelling mistake! Shocked Yeah, my engineering skills are still *cough cough* developing. But I can turn my hand at most things in time. I just wish I had all the components here to build this tonight. But I have a bus to catch in the morning and a nine hour journey ahead of me... and I'll be away for 10 days. I WILL be returning with components and constructing this the day I return! ... in the meantime, I'll be quietly 'shitting it' Shocked hoping that it's right!
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 18, 2010 11:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Looking forward to piecing this baby together. Love the artwork.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 18, 2010 12:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I could put that component layout on a t-shirt it's that gorgeous!! Cool Cool Cool Cool Cool Cool Cool Cool
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 18, 2010 12:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

How did you do that artwork? Illustrator? Shocked Question
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 18, 2010 1:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

yep it's Illustrator.... on a mac I might add! Laughing

I love Illustrator! I use it for just about everything now... to the point where I am forgetting how to use photoshop. The gradient mesh tool is great too! The level of photorealism obtainable with that is amazing!!! Shocked And it's vector too. I'm an old fart really when it come to computers. I was trained some time ago with technical pens, airbrushes and Letraset! Shocked But I'm gradually learning the 'new way'! I'm glad you like it! Once the components are drawn its really just a copy and paste job.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 1:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I'm gathering components for this still. I thought originally that I'd find the capacitor values in MKT's, hence the diagram has been drawn with MKT's in mind. I am going to have to use some greencaps for some of them, but I imagine they should still fit the crowded layout. I'll have this built this weekend and will hopefully confirm this circuit then....
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Looking forward to what you find & hear! Smile
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 9:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I've just got home tonight, and it may be 3:30AM here but the board will be finished by sunrise... hopefully... Already I see a couple of things missing in the above diagrams. Embarassed

To the millions of solderers stuck and wondering what value R15 and R17 are Laughing....

R15= 330R

R17= 15K

I seem to have missed these in the component list! I'll update the list shortly and label that page as being revised. I'm still hopeful that in the next few hours I'll be posting sound clips and a dodgy low res 2 mega pixel phone photo of the board... Well, that's the plan anyway! Laughing

EDIT: C5 = 6.8nF Embarassed

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That's nice! Looking forward to watching how this turns out Cool
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 6:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

OK! With a few minor hiccups, I have the snare functioning. I'm still having some triggering issues here though. I'm not able to trigger at the designated trigger point, but I seem to be able to trigger this from R14 (stripboard track 21) or R13 (stripboard track 19). Also I think I'll test and perhaps add Eric Archer's diode-cap-resistor network to make triggering independent of pulse width. This may mean an extra tiny board to the one I have but I'll post another top view diagram with this included soon.

Also... I'm notorious for getting pots wired the wrong way around! Laughing Embarassed I need to fix these up on the diagram... sorry about that. It's like the old adage of the toast always falling butter side down! I always get this wrong...

I'll do some quick recordings of it now.... I'll post again soon...
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I still have to rewire these pots and fiddle with this trigger point, but here's a quick clip of what it sounds like. I'm triggering with a very simple 4017 based sequencer. First the snare on its own with some knob twiddling, then the snare and 808 kick clone found elsewhere in The Layout Factory:


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 04, 2010 12:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Still trying to work out this triggering problem....

I thought I might have got the 556 transistor (T6) the wrong way around. As far as I can work out, this transistor has the same CBE pin layout as the 546. If this is the case, the diagram above has this orientated incorrectly. Embarassed I have soldered a replacement the correct way around, but this has not solved the trigger issue. I'm still triggering from R14 (track 20 on the stripboard).

I have just looked at Eric Archers site and read this about his perf version:

If you are planning on triggering the circuit from a logic signal, the easiest way is to tie ACCENT to +12V (+15V), and connect the logic signal to TRIGGER.
You'll have to make the trigger pulse short (like 5ms) or you'llhear a double-trigger on the negative edge of the pulse.
Or you can add my diode-cap-resistor network (described elsewhere) that makes triggering independent of pulse width.

When I tie ACCENT to +9V I get a constant loud HISSSSSSS. I have also tried the Krunkus suggestion with the ACCENT pot from the 808 kick drum stripboard thread. It seems that this doesn't work either. So I'm a bit at a loss at the moment what to do. The problem is in this triggering section of the board. It triggers ok from the R14 point, with the ACCENT point untied to the +9V rail. I'd just like to get this working in the manner it should.

Any suggestions anyone? scratch
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 2010 12:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Now I'm thinking the T6 BC556 is actually the right way around. I'm looking at the stripboard version of the kick drum, and judging by that, I think the above diagram is correct...

As to why this isn't working as it should, I really can't fathom this out! scratch I'll keep looking at this and hope something obvious jumps out at me.... but I can't see what.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 2010 1:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Just a random thought w/out looking at it today - but have you tried a + and - 12 volt supply...or have you made allowance for using 9 volts with some component changes?

That may not be it - but it's a variable from the original, isn't it?

Good luck

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 2010 3:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

No, I have not tried a +/- 12V supply. I guess I am going off the fact that the kick drum module runs of the two 9V batteries, so I assumed this would work in a similar manner. Thing is, I can get this to trigger elsewhere on the board... just not from the designated trigger point. It's kind of ok as it is, it's just bugging me that I cant figure out why this won't work as intended.

I've jumped onto some other soldering jobs in the meantime. I'll have to come back to this one. I'm sure there is a simple explanation somewhere.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 18, 2010 6:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

hi, minus. firstly, great work and thanks for this. i saw eric's clones a while ago and knew i'd have to make them at some point. i'm pretty new to this stuff and i'm definitely more comfortable with stripboard so thanks.

when you said

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Still trying to work out this triggering problem....

I thought I might have got the 556 transistor (T6) the wrong way around. As far as I can work out, this transistor has the same CBE pin layout as the 546. scratch



i was just thinking though that i'm sure when looking at transistors recently (for the 808 kick actually) that the 556 was a pnp and the 546 was npn. having only worked with cmos ics up until now i'm not sure how significant this is, but it was my understanding that they are not interchangeable. i'm happy to be corrected though. Smile
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 18, 2010 7:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Yes they are different. The BC546 is a NPN transistor, and the BC 556 is a PNP transistor. They both have the same designators (is that the correct term?). What I mean is, if you hold the flat side facing you, the legs are from left to right: Collector, Base, Emitter. They are different though. You can't just use one or the other wherever you want. Laughing I was just noting that the legs are the same... in the same order. Anyway, that 556 was correct in the diagram.

I pretty much went off the data Eric posted on his site. I followed his schematics and drew this off what he had, as well as checking the roland originals for this particular voice.

As to solving the riddle, I have yet to work this out. Embarassed I will get back to this! I have been able to trigger from further along the line from the specified point, but not from the point it should work from. It's getting a bit late in the year to have this solved, but I will be coming back to it in January... I haven't given up on it yet!
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 18, 2010 7:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

ah i see what you mean. good luck with this. looking forward to building this one now, but as you say it's getting a bit near to that hectic christmas/newyears/my birthday kinda time so i probably wont start on this until january. once i get started i'll post my progress on this thread if that's alright.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 13, 2011 10:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

If anyone's interested, I can confirm this works just fine... a couple of minor things on the layout and BOM (f. ex. the pinout of the 2n3704 isn't quite right) but aside from that it's fine. I'd recommend a Ken Stone gate to trigger converter in front of it (and every other percussion module) - it'll trigger from almost anything. Nice work!
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