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TakeshiAndTheKid
Joined: Feb 27, 2011 Posts: 9 Location: Cork, Ireland
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Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 4:02 pm Post subject:
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How do we feel about this?
Aside from the wonderful Wendy Carlos who I couldn't find many posts about on this forum. I can't think of any others.
I suppose you could count Genesis P-Orridge if you really want to, but that's a bit different... |
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nobody
Joined: Mar 09, 2008 Posts: 1687 Location: Not here
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Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2011 7:54 am Post subject:
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I used to know a transgendered woman, whom I admired very much for various reasons. I would love to get in touch with her again and continue to be friends.
Among other things, she's an excellent synth musician.
I think she's mentioned here: http://www.queermusicheritage.us/nov2005.html
Find Gwynneth Rhian Morgan on that page. |
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TakeshiAndTheKid
Joined: Feb 27, 2011 Posts: 9 Location: Cork, Ireland
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Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2011 9:56 pm Post subject:
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Eee. That page makes me not want to be open as trans at all, something kind of uncomfortable about the vibe of it. I don't want to be associated with mid 90s web design! |
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nobody
Joined: Mar 09, 2008 Posts: 1687 Location: Not here
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Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 7:04 am Post subject:
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Heh.
Just be yourself. I think you'll find electro-music a good place to be open about who you are. |
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Winstontaneous
Joined: Oct 31, 2008 Posts: 43 Location: Berkeley, CA
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Winterbound
Joined: Aug 06, 2010 Posts: 80 Location: N. Ireland/Lisburn
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nobody
Joined: Mar 09, 2008 Posts: 1687 Location: Not here
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Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2011 8:36 am Post subject:
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Winterbound wrote: | Personally we are all humans - And we should see one another in that way rather than seeing one another in a negative derogatory manner. |
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mosc
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Joined: Jan 31, 2003 Posts: 18195 Location: Durham, NC
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Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2011 8:41 am Post subject:
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TakeshiAndTheKid wrote: | Eee. ... I don't want to be associated with mid 90s web design! |
We feel the same, but everyone is welcome here no matter what kind of web design they like. _________________ --Howard
my music and other stuff |
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emdot_ambient
Joined: Nov 22, 2009 Posts: 667 Location: Frederick, MD
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CatchAce
Joined: May 11, 2011 Posts: 27 Location: Chesapeke, Virginia, USA
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Posted: Wed May 11, 2011 6:58 pm Post subject:
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i donno about famous ones, but theres me, here and now at electro music.
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CJ Miller
Joined: Jan 07, 2007 Posts: 368 Location: 127.0.0.1
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Posted: Wed May 11, 2011 11:04 pm Post subject:
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"transgendered" seems like one of those tricky labels which are typically foisted upon other people, rarely to refer to oneself.
For example, to a person's friends, family, and other associates - they might think of the person as having changed gender. But to the person who did it, they might just feel they are showing what their true gender has been all along.
My own opinion is that gender is quite fluid, and would even love to go so far as creating new genders entirely! Imagine if next year there were six human genders, each with different levels of inter-compatibility. IMO more choice is better, and it does not hurt anyone. In any just, civilized society I think this sort of thing is recognized as (inter)personal preference.
But old habits die hard. Gender is considered the single most primary status in human relations - the first thing people would notice, and the last thing they would forget. But we live in schizo times were society demands that sex and reproduction are not the same - unless it seems convenient for the social order that they are. The examples are countless... why does a man need to be a good, stable provider if you don't intend to m4yk 84813Z? Why do physical traits play such a selection criteria if we are not reproducing? And one of the most difficult questions, apparently - if sex and reproduction are separate, why would it matter which born gender of person you shack up with? Or marry? The practical reasons put forth by US lawmakers (yes, I have read many of them) basically say that the ethics are those accepted by most people=conservative religious law. So much for my freedom of religion, which doesn't stipulate any such prescriptive nonsense. |
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dingus
Joined: Dec 23, 2010 Posts: 10 Location: US
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Posted: Mon May 23, 2011 12:29 pm Post subject:
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transgendered people and electro music go way back |
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nobody
Joined: Mar 09, 2008 Posts: 1687 Location: Not here
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Posted: Tue May 24, 2011 6:49 am Post subject:
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I read somewhere once that certain scientists have separated sex - physical body traits - from gender - the spectrum of emotional associations with those body traits - and have identified quite a bunch of genders. |
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XCenter
Joined: Oct 01, 2005 Posts: 113 Location: Germany
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Werebear
Joined: Nov 23, 2009 Posts: 63 Location: UK
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Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 3:51 am Post subject:
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Interesting point there CJ. Have you read Vonnegut "Slaughter House Five"? The Tralfamadoreans are an alien race who recognise six genders in humans, with their genders only being apparent in the "fourth dimension". Different genders included gay men over 60 and infants who had not lived past three months and so on. Vonnegut was a terrible sci fi writer but was a humanist the likes of whom we should all aspire to be.
The most grown up thing we can do is accept ourselves and each other for what and who we are and not listen to the evil old monkey in the hind brain. As musicians we're probably more laid back and accepting than most and we should be pushing that forward through our work and lives, though not the half-assed turning up late for soundcheck bit.
Werebear _________________ I think I like it. Does it matter if I don't? |
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