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Understanding Saw Animator imperfections.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2011 11:39 pm    Post subject: Understanding Saw Animator imperfections.
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(Sorry, I thought I was adding images right... clearly I was wrong)

Hey everyone.

So after a couple years of (successfully!) using my YuSynth Saw Animator, I finally got around to buying an oscilloscope... and trimming it properly. Smile

What's weird is that different VCOs behave differently. Here's a shot of an MFOS VCO as trimmed as I could get it:

[img]http://electro-music.com/forum/phpbb-files/ds0000_108.bmp[/img]

Here is a TH XR-VCO with those same settings (this is, given the description on Yves' page, what I would expect):

[img]http://electro-music.com/forum/phpbb-files/ds0001_145.bmp[/img]

Here's the same TH VCO as trimmed as I could make it:

[img]http://electro-music.com/forum/phpbb-files/ds0003_248.bmp[/img]

So. Why the funny triangle shape on that first one? My initial theory was that the fall time was longer on the MFOS VCO, but after measuring that doesn't seem to be the case. I note that the MFOS VCO actually delivers more like 11.5 Vpp -- could that be the reason?

Again, no problems with the unit, just trying to understand things better. Smile


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TH VCO untrimmed.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 11, 2011 8:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

As stated on the saw-animator page the module expects a sawtooth signal balanced around 0V, that is ranging from -5V up to +5V. Unbalanced sawtooth wont give a good result (MFOS VCO ?)

To help us understand the graph may be could you telle which curve (yellow, blue) correspond to which signal.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 11, 2011 9:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

yusynth wrote:
As stated on the saw-animator page the module expects a sawtooth signal balanced around 0V, that is ranging from -5V up to +5V. Unbalanced sawtooth wont give a good result (MFOS VCO ?)

To help us understand the graph may be could you telle which curve (yellow, blue) correspond to which signal.


Hi Yves! Sorry; the yellow (top) is the output of the Saw Animator -- the bottom (blue) is the ramp wave being used as input. The MFOS VCO is indeed centered around 0v; but it swings between 5.8v to -5.6v. Is that extra 1.2 volts what's causing that foldover?

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 12, 2011 12:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

reve wrote:
yusynth wrote:
As stated on the saw-animator page the module expects a sawtooth signal balanced around 0V, that is ranging from -5V up to +5V. Unbalanced sawtooth wont give a good result (MFOS VCO ?)

To help us understand the graph may be could you telle which curve (yellow, blue) correspond to which signal.


Hi Yves! Sorry; the yellow (top) is the output of the Saw Animator -- the bottom (blue) is the ramp wave being used as input. The MFOS VCO is indeed centered around 0v; but it swings between 5.8v to -5.6v. Is that extra 1.2 volts what's causing that foldover?


Yes it may cause the foldover, what you can do is to increase the value of R11 ,R8,R23 and R26 to 120K

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 12, 2011 1:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Yves, thank you so much for taking the time to respond -- I appreciate it greatly!
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