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elektro80 · Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2012 3:49 pm Post subject:

The link between the NSDAP and Nietzsche is quite interesting. Truth be told, his ideas weren't all too healthy from the start, but the Nazis seriously perverted these into something that seemed to give a further foundation to the ideology or rather the mythic ideology of the NSDAP. The real and direct link between Hitler and Nietzsche is Nietzsche's Elisabeth Förster-Nietzsche.
One thing to keep in mind is that new age religion / new age culture was even more rampant back then than it is now. That was the age of discovery and populist mysticism. Donnelly got a lot of attention for his : "Atlantis- the Antediluvian World" and even though there had been an Atlantis industry already it now turned into a gigantic monster. Ghosts, meso american mysteries, reincarnation, old heathen deities... this was huge back then and got thrown into the mix. And they loved conspiracies. There were amazing industries built around all sorts of new and ancient conspiracies. The Russian secret service (under the Tzar ) invented the "Secret protocols of the elders of Zion" and this pamphlet inspired yet another industry.. in fact several.
The new age perspective is very important, and the public in general would consume Nietzsche, Donnelly and others like it was ( what we now know as) self improvement literature and true tales about UFOs. Adolf Hitler was the ultimate new age motivational speaker of the day.

The official sealed link between the Nietzsche Arkiv and the NSDAP is fairly late - in 1933, but there certainly had been a very inspired connection before that. Elisabeth Förster-Nietzsche was herself quite a prominent hippie queen. In 1887 she set up a ( short lived ) colony in Paraguay she called Nueva Germania. The whole point was to create a new start for an aryan germanic race. There were a zillion of new age prophets, thinkers and snake oil vendors. Rudolf Steiner was just one of many, but now the most well known. Anthroposophy is amazingly still around of sorts.

mosc · Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 3:30 pm Post subject:

audiodef · Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 3:37 pm Post subject:

elektro80 · Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 3:39 pm Post subject:

That documentary is quite good. I digged out the DVD and watched it again.

Regarding Nietzsche and the nazis, there is a lot of literature suggesting that Hitler and probably a lot of prominent NSDAP leaders had read very little of Nietzsche's text. There are some footnotes here of interest:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Influence_and_reception_of_Friedrich_Nietzsche

So how come NSDAP ideology is so similar? Simply because they all thought they knew Nietzsche anyway as the high points of sorts had been assimilated by the popular culture and the new age culture and there were pamphlets and books about all good things to be found in Nietzsche's ideas.

audiodef · Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 7:49 pm Post subject:

elektro80 · Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 5:29 am Post subject:

Nothing of the sort.
No subtitles etc.

Sorry..

This is basically a lecture in two parts.

Like Howard said, it makes perfect sense. There is a bigger lesson to learn here and that is that ideas matter. In the case of nazism there is no need for conspiracy theories as everything is out in the open. They connected Nietzche's dots and had a plan that they followed. The reason this felt right to many of the followers was that the ideology of Nietzsche was already a huge part of the popular culture. Keep in mind that Wagner did his bit in order to package myth into an entertainment commodity.

I guess there is another lesson here as well and that is that it is quite possible to adopt fragments and frameworks of ideology from popular culture and you won't outright know how you have been infected. Why do you know what you think you know and what does it mean?

audiodef · Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 7:16 am Post subject:

Thanks for checking for subtitles. Sadly, many documentaries are not accessible to the hearing-impaired. Why this is so escapes me, as adding subs or captions is always a drop in the bucket of any film's budget, and hearing loss is so prevalent that there is nobody who does not know someone with some kind of hearing loss. It takes little effort for any of the film staff or crew to DIY.

But I can at least offer a perspective on being infected by popular culture. While it's possible I have been infected in some way by popular culture, or have assimilated fragments of it (in fact, it is likely, despite my wholesale conscious rejection of popular culture), I have wondered now and then if part of the reason I have trouble fitting in has to do with my deafness, and not simply because deafness makes it difficult to socialize with people with normal hearing.

As everyone knows, mainstream society runs on sound. All communication is either done via sound or contains a critical sound component. Not having access to this, I have missed many clues and signals over the course of my life.

I have come to see this as not entirely a bad thing. The positive aspect of not having normal access to society's normal audio stream is being unable to be susceptible to the constant media barrage/bullshit, overt or subliminal. Since I'm naturally inclined to wonder and think, it makes sense that my thoughts have developed based more on direct observation, via seeing things myself and reading about it, than hearing all the he-said/she-said that goes on 24/7 in society.

Of course, there are plenty of people with normal hearing who develop their own minds regardless of the noise. I'm just saying that in terms of popular culture and the person I've come to be, not having normal access to society's communication mode hasn't been without benefits, even though I'd fix my hearing without hesitation if the opportunity arises.

elektro80 · Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 7:37 am Post subject:

This particular DVD is a low volume special interest thing that is just a man talking.. how long is it?? 2 parts.. at least 2,5 hours in total I think..
There is absolutely no focus these days on adding subtitles to this kind of material. I guess it economically doesn't make sense and then we can pretend that deaf people don't exists.. or they are kept somewhere.. out of the way..
Ups.. Shocked

I don't think that it is a comfort that in the days of the NSDAP, you.. with a hearing disability.. would have been next on the list of the people who would have to go. You know, get rid of the damaged goods for the common good. In an Ayn Rand world perhaps a rich bastard would have seen you fit for washing dishes. Or not.. Shocked

The danger at the moment is that the modern concept of the welfare state is changing. The common good is being redefined and disabled people are now becoming the evil that must be exorcised. Well, the list is longer.. Depending on which country you live in the values and list entries might vary.

mosc · Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 9:53 am Post subject:

There is a book with the same title by the same author.

http://www.amazon.com/Nietzsche-Nazis-Stephen-R-Hicks/dp/097942707X/ref=pd_cp_mov_0/182-9484682-8841037

audiodef · Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 10:29 am Post subject:

audiodef · Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 10:32 am Post subject:

elektro80 · Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 10:37 am Post subject:

Howard posted a link to the book. I guess that is the missing subtitles.. and the video is for the blind? Laughing

There are several books around that might be of interest. Abir Taha has a good one. She explores the occult facets of Nietzche and nazism.

audiodef · Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 7:08 pm Post subject: