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PostPosted: Fri Mar 11, 2005 6:32 am    Post subject: Old dub Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

http://kassen.mine.nu/tracks/Kassen_30mG.mp3

Paul invited me to post a track of all home-made sounds and considdering the occasion I thought it might be nice to pick something dubby. The linked track has actually been on my site for a while now.

It´s fairly old, done with only the Nord Modular classic (rack) as a soundsource. This was from before my obsession with analogue effects and so all effects come from the Quadraverb and the DP/2. Back then I couldn´t find any sequencers that suited me so I did everything using the Nord´s sequencers and morph groups.

That means the structure here is freestyle to say the least but I still find it a charming thing if you can forgive me that I was perhaps overly influnced by Pole´s first album....

Particularly interesting here from a sonological perspective is the "lowfi" crackling which comes from a combination of a bug in the Modular´s compressor and the tube amp emulation of the DP/2. To me that´s the main charm of this one now.

If I´m not terribly mistaken It´s just one take, straight to md witht he pc turned off.

For my more recent experiments into dub I´ve been following a more traditional aproach; first writing something ralatively straightforward to multitrack, then "dubbing it up" using anaologue delays and springreverbs but what did I know back then?

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 11, 2005 12:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Hurrah! It's always exciting when I hear a person's music for the first time!

Given the lack of distance covered (if you'll forgive the metaphor) I was surprised how much I liked this. The sounds are fantastic! That crackle you describe is very nice, but in general the track sounds proper dirty and that's very nice.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 11, 2005 1:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

If by "lack of distance" you mean that it stays close to Pole then yeah, I agree. It´s realy a straight rip-off and it could be argued that it´s pritty much a accident that I got the sound right. I´m personally a bit attached to this one because it´s from the begining period of my music and it was one of the first things where I enjoyed something I had made myself later.

Still, there are far worse things to do then ripping off pole, especially if you are starting out and are using digital gear. I was realy obsessed with making the Nord crackle properly...

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THanks for listening.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 11, 2005 5:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

By 'lack of distance covered' I meant that there was little narrative to the track - i.e. that the beginning is similar to the middle is similar to the end, or whatever. I find geographical metaphors particularly appropriate in discussing the structure or narrative of a track. [I don't know anything about Pole.] I instinctively prefer music that jumps around a lot, so I was surprised that I enjoyed this so much.

My usual inability to express myself properly will be compounded or perhaps ameloriated by gin and wine. Please bear this in mind.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 11, 2005 5:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I fear I like tracks in which nothing happens. I like it when you hear the opening bars and they are exactly what you wanted and then it stays like that. There are artists who have taken that to it´s logical extreme and I like those but perhaps I shouldn´t mention them as chances are you won´t....

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 11, 2005 6:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

My guess is "lack of distance" refers to the fact that there is apparently very little development. I do hear some development, but it is very subtile. I listened to this track at first wanting more changes to happen, but as it evolved I got calmed into a sort of trance state. Was this your intent.

I do like the sounds, especially the lo-fi crackle that reminds me of vinyl surface noise.

EDIT: I wrote this before I read your above post...

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 12, 2005 7:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Yeah, that was my intend. Especially in those days but now still for my live set I used to make a sort of cross between locked groove reckords and noodles. I would make the Nord spew out this kinds of stuff on the border of dance music and ambient for ages. I´d live at night, using candles and oil lamps for light and just listen to this stuff. For months I would never record anything; I would considder the patch the track and take them to a friend on floppy (now there´s a compression algorithem!). I was much more interesterd in the sound, up to and including the groove of the loop, then into making music. That´s still partially true.

I´m more interested in track that are descriptions of places then into tracks that tell stories, I´m also realy deeply into how the perception of a loop changes as it loops, Live was a godsend for me.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 12, 2005 8:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Kassen wrote:
I´m more interested in track that are descriptions of places then into tracks that tell stories, I´m also realy deeply into how the perception of a loop changes as it loops, Live was a godsend for me.

Interesting. In the late 60s and 70s, we used to call this "steady state" music. It was pretty controversial. I think some of the big names were Terry Riley and Steve Riech. I was into this at the time, but not using loops of percussion, but rather rich textures of electronic sounds that never really repeated, but never changed either. Steady State was more like listening to wind chimes than listening to a mechanical loop.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 12, 2005 9:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I downloaded recently all of the files on that site you linked in the infamous FUD thread and I like them very much. Repetition and droning are very appealing to me, I've always liked it when almost nothing happens in music. Of course, there is a lot of music that isn't repetitive and is still very good, but I get the very strongest feelings from short hypnotic loops going on long enough. This is a very interesting approach especially with guitar based music originating in rock music. There are several bands that make music that is based on repeating a single riff for the entire song. This kind of bands are the missing link between human players and robots. The Finnish band Circle, for example, is one of my all-time favourites. Their label, Ektro Records, have some mp3 files (not only Circle) on their site. Check them out, if you don't need the distance since you're already there.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 14, 2005 10:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Hmm yeah Ponk, there's also droning music by Spiritualized (and their earlier incarnation Spiritualized Electric Mainline) and Seefeel, who used to record on Rephlex if memory serves.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 4:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Yes, Spiritualized is good, but I prefer Spacemen 3. "Sound Of Confusion" is unbeliavable. Sometimes drugs do work, apparently. But this is getting off topic, I'm afraid...
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 4:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Ponk wrote:
Sometimes drugs do work, apparently. But this is getting off topic, I'm afraid...


I dunno, see track title.....

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 5:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I like this track.
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