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Boss DR55 Users and Modders? Looking for info on this machin
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2012 11:15 am    Post subject: Boss DR55 Users and Modders? Looking for info on this machin
Subject description: are there any proprietary parts or code in this box?
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I've always liked this simple programmable rhythm box. I had one once and got rid of it because it played kind of quirky and it didn't seem worth the trouble at the the time.

BUt, I'd like to try one again. Only the prices are plum stupid for these now. They sell for nearly as much as a 606 for some reason. They were always $50-$75, forever. Then all of a sudden $350.

But, after looking over the service manual-- I don't see anything special here besides a 10240Bit CMOS RAM IC, TC5501.

Does anyone know-- is there anything here that needs to be set up or programmed-- or could someone just put these parts together and expect this thing to start up and start jamming?


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 25, 2012 8:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I've just sold mine. But before it went I toyed with the idea of swapping out the tone control and replacing it with a decay control for the bass drum.

In the usual Tom fashion I never got round to doing the mod. Confused

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2012 1:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

There is no firmware. The machine has no processor.

The CD4011 is a bit fussy ... a few years ago I repaired one of these machines with a bad 4011, and the replacement I used caused pattern writing to work incorrectly. A different 4011 fixed the problem. I'd probably try to stick to the original RAM IC too.

You might have a bit of trouble getting the exact same transistors specified, particularly the 2SA733P (the same high-gain that people try to snatch up for their x0xb0xes).

It never occurred to me to just copy the whole circuit and make your own, but it should actually be pretty straightforward.

I think the sequencer on this drum machine is pretty crappy by today's standards, but it might be worthwhile just to do the sounds. Remember, it doesn't even allow you to program hihat parts! Also, by using an external sequencer you can put a long or short gate on the snare sound (listen to the offbeat snares on the opening of "Computer World" by Kraftwerk - it is most definitely a DR-55)
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2012 1:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

The sequencer is a MAJOR PITA to program!!! The main reason why I sold it. However, the actual box when running is funky as hell! Think Led Zep does Electro! Cool
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2012 2:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

infindebula wrote:
There is no firmware. The machine has no processor.


That's what I wanted to hear!!

infindebula wrote:

I'd probably try to stick to the original RAM IC too.


I have seen them for sale

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You might have a bit of trouble getting the exact same transistors specified, particularly the 2SA733P (the same high-gain that people try to snatch up for their x0xb0xes).

I may have a few already
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It never occurred to me to just copy the whole circuit and make your own, but it should actually be pretty straightforward.


right? it didn't occur to me either until I recently saw that the PCB image is pretty clearly printed in the service manual, and the machine itself is incredibly simple.

The only thing is, there are a a bunch of 'clones' from the time period. As a lot of Roland stuff, I guess they licenced many of their circuits. ButI find that each of the clones are slightly better in different ways from the original. i may wait and pick up one of these others-- like the Sound master, etc, and scan the PCB.

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I think the sequencer on this drum machine is pretty crappy by today's standards, but it might be worthwhile just to do the sounds.


Yeah, it's totally crappy, and a terrible pain to sequence-- but it has an undeniable charm. I'm not even a depeche mode fan (i suspect this is why this machine has become so collectable), but I love the early New Order tacks that were made using this box-- and it does sound pretty cool and different than both the more sophisticated XoX boxes, and earlier preset machines. Despite it's many drawbacks, it has a kind of uniquely raw electronic sound.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2012 2:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I have one of those here somewhere still. It is easy to program and it sounds pretty bad. I bought it new in early 81 I think..

The one unique thing here are the DBS and CSQ outputs. See attached image.. scanned from the manual.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 7:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

The DR-55 can be the clock for external gear and the programmable accent can be used for stepping/triggering whatever.
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PostPosted: Sun May 27, 2012 7:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

infindebula wrote:

The CD4011 is a bit fussy ... a few years ago I repaired one of these machines with a bad 4011, and the replacement I used caused pattern writing to work incorrectly. A different 4011 fixed the problem.


I had the same problem for long time until have found the solution.
Is easy to fix it changing C46 to 10NF cap, an will work with any 4011 series.
In the service manual they say "machines with SN up to 923500 CD40UB only". this is because the propagation delay time of this chip is faster than other 4011s (a half) and the delay formed with Q16 C46 etc is not enough to feed the flip flop and the memory on time (must be double).

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 9:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

that's really good info, befacosynth. thanks!
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