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Uncle Krunkus
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Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2012 4:03 am Post subject:
Ohhhh,...tell us another story Uncle Krunkus! Subject description: The Klee stripboard does exist |
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Hey everybodies,
I know this is a classic case of tooting my own horn.
And it's mostly because I'm designing stripboard again this last week for the first time in 2 years.
But I suddenly realised that it might interest the Klee community to know.
When Scott first approached Tom Fenn with the Klee sequencer Tom had only just been talking to me about stripboarding, and how tedious and unreliable he found it.
I explained that I used a program to lay out the stripboard and that I actually found it quite relaxing. It wasn't long before Tom got back to me and challenged me to do the Klee sequencer as a stripboard layout.
Now I'd only just built a dual saphire flanger on two identical stripboard layouts. I'd bought(?!) and learned Lochmaster 2.0 (a stripboard layout program) and wanted to try something more challenging, so I took Tom at his word, and started laying out the Klee before I'd even worked out what it did.
The final version on Lochmaster, (which may still be out there, but I haven't found it yet, I'm sure it's on an old hard drive) actually stretched across 3 stripboard layouts. I just did them in order of the schems which Scott sent me. There were 5 of those IIRC. When space ran out, I started another row of chips on a new board. It took about 3 weeks to get a decent layout which was complete, and ready to test.
The amazing thing is, still, to this day,..... no-one has built those stripboards up into a functioning Klee sequencer.
Challenge anyone?!
Before I could start putting it together, Scott suggested that both he and I learn Express PCB. He concentrated on the Express Schem part of the program, and I started learning the Express PCB part. (Which can be constantly synced with each other so we were always on the same page)
But,.......
That's another story children, and Uncle Krunkus is very tired!,.......(Chuckle) _________________ What makes a space ours, is what we put there, and what we do there. |
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Uncle Krunkus
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Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2012 6:24 am Post subject:
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When I do find these layouts, I'll post them here. _________________ What makes a space ours, is what we put there, and what we do there. |
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emdot_ambient
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Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2012 12:58 pm Post subject:
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I'd be hugely interested in seeing the layouts...but not brave enough to give it a try.
I use stripboards only for very small ancillary modules (buffered multis, small mixers, simple wave shapers, extracting +5V power supply from my main, etc.). _________________ Looking for a certain ratio since 1978 |
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Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2012 5:10 pm Post subject:
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I think this Klee nostalgia is a fine inspiration to all of us creators. I do it myself too, imagining that my projects will one day be significant or that this next one will be a hot number, I value my prototypes from a nostalgic perspective. This, of course, fades when the invention does not pan out but still I think it's healthy and not egotism at all.
I also feel that the archives of electro-music.com will one day be scoured by historians (among many other sites) who specialize in internet history of the future. They will do research studies figuring out what early incubator ideas from here and other places led to major new technologies of the next generation.
So keep up the good work, oh Krunky one, but don't go back and redo history. I'd rather see your efforts be put to developing new stuff.
Les _________________ "Let's make noise for peace." - Kijjaz |
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Uncle Krunkus
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Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2012 6:12 pm Post subject:
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You're right Les.
I think it's the beer that makes me a bit nostalgic.
Sometimes you don't realise how amazing and inspiring something is, until it's long gone. "don't know what you've got till it's gone"
I suppose this is why the buddhists believe in being in the now. There are so many things that can be overlooked, underestimated, undervalued when we are constantly looking towards the future, or reminiscing about the past. And they are happening right here, right now.
I've always thought that archeology would be an endlessly rewarding job, but I just realised that an archeologist actually sacrifices part of their "now" in order to uncover someone else's "past". It would actually be a very fine balancing act, if someone were to not lose themselves in other places and people from the past. _________________ What makes a space ours, is what we put there, and what we do there. |
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Paradigm X
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Stream Operator
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Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2012 3:36 pm Post subject:
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Ew! You got one of those cheap lighters:
flick! flick! fllick! flick - light!
You need to flick your Bic:
Flick - light!
Les _________________ "Let's make noise for peace." - Kijjaz |
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wmonk
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Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2012 3:51 pm Post subject:
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Excellent story Andy!
Inventor wrote: | Ew! You got one of those cheap lighters:
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They're excellent for throwing in the fireplace
Please kids, don't try this at home
Cheers,
Woody _________________ Weblog! |
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prgdeltablues
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Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2012 8:55 am Post subject:
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The larger stripboard (46 rows) I find a great size for synth modules - fits neatly behind my 200mm high panels. All the modules I've made so far - except the Klee - are built on stripboard - plenty of MFOS, some CGS, Fritz, a few others. Happy to share layouts - I use VeeCad to design the layouts, which interfaces well with TinyCad for drawing schematics.
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Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2012 4:39 pm Post subject:
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I'm new to stripboard and I may use it soon. How do you cut the traces easily?
Les _________________ "Let's make noise for peace." - Kijjaz |
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Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2012 9:45 pm Post subject:
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So 3mm is 1/8" in English units approximately, right? and 1/8 is a bit bigger than 1/10, so that'll work. Thanks, I had wondered that for a while. See Krunkus, one hand washes the other. I teach you a little circuit theory and your practical advice, through -minus-, teaches me!
Ahhh, electro-music and friends are wonderful things!
Les
p.s. ty -minus-, you're a +plus+ in my book... _________________ "Let's make noise for peace." - Kijjaz |
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Uncle Krunkus
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Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2012 8:22 am Post subject:
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The stripboard I get is about 300mm long. I've used stripboard for years. I only ever bought one layout program,..Lochmaster. I'd love to design everything in ExpressPCB, like the Klee, but I don't have a job, and have to do things on the cheap AOAP. Stripboard is great for that. And it's immediate. You can start soldering up the first proto within a couple of hours.
Yeah,.. 3mm bit, some tinned copper wire (.6-1mm) for links, and whatever comes off the breadboard.
Of course the Klee-Stripboard wasn't quite like that, but I was certifiably insane back then! _________________ What makes a space ours, is what we put there, and what we do there. |
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Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2012 2:56 pm Post subject:
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Getting back to the original topic, nostalgia for electro-music threads and projects, I have recently begun re-reading the 22 page Karplus Strong thread. There is renewed interest in the project and we should have a second board run, so cool on that. It is fun to re-read all of our community contributions. Funny how looking back the choices seem so obvious, but looking forward they are tough decisions. It all worked out well in the end and we have a good design though.
Les _________________ "Let's make noise for peace." - Kijjaz |
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