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Waldorf Q Voice Expansion clone project
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Do you want to buy a Waldorf Q voice expansion module
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depsilon



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 9:43 am    Post subject:  Waldorf Q Voice Expansion clone project
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It has been a long time since an update but here is the status.

Stage 3 (Reverse engineering) for REV 1 Expansion will begin soon.
Stage 2 (Donor Requests) for REV 2 Expansion is still open

We need Temporary Loaner Donor systems from volunteers for (75voice micro Q or 32voice Q)

Encore has approved a free Expansion for a donor with the rev 1.0 board and another donor with the rev 2.0 Board. (Cannot be the same Donor).

So you get a free expansion if you loan Encore your Hardware for reverse engineering!!!

Thanks to Sergio for donating his XT expansion for reverse engineering!!!

Update: The XT upgrade mystery has been solved: If you have a main board with "MWMB VER 2.X Layer" Your XT CANNOT be upgraded. If you have "MWMB VER 3.X Layer" Your XT CAN be upgraded!!! You can also see this in the startup screen as Board#X


Tony at Encore is working on multiple new projects. As such he would need four to six months with a synthesizer that has a working expansion to reverse engineer.

We are asking for any of the following:

A 30 Voice XT or
A 32 Voice Q or
A 75 Voice Micro Q.

The preference is for rack, but if all we can get is keyboards, we will take those. All shipping would need to be coordinated and the utmost care taken of the donated hardware to be returned unmolested. Details about where to ship the hardware will be provided once the donor list is generated.

Most people are demanding XT and Gen1 Q expansion modules so if you want to temporarily donate a Q for the XT effort, the serial number must start with a 1 and not a 2 or 3. for example: 019782353 is a good serial range and 023565656 or 032676367 is for a gen 2 expansion that only works in gen 2 Qs and micro Qs.

Reply with your interest and questions - This begins phase 2 - Donor systems and reverse engineering.

FLASH - Per user requests a special email account has been setup for requesting the expansion module:

waldorfqexpand@gmail.com

If you are still interested (whether or not you have posted) Please send a message with the following info:

1- Your XT or Q version
2- How many modules you want
3- Your location (country-state)


I am also looking for volunteers to post Youtube videos on opening up your XT or Q synth to get the real mainboard version. I will add this list to the next post along with the donor and demand lists.

I have found photos of SOME XT boards that are NOT expandable. The oldest XTs are NOT expandable and do NOT have 2-rows of pins on the top side of the mainboard FYI - Photos below.


I have been looking for voice expansion modules for my Q-Rack, they are hard to find now and the Waldorf distributors are tapped out.

I found a company in the US called Encore Electronics that is willing to produce a lot of 50 or more of these units, but there are 4 caveats:

1- Confirmed 50-100 or more buyers

2- A Q synthesizer and an expansion module to reverse engineer.

3- Development lead time of about 3 months.

4- Module price is estimate around $375.


You may provide your First Name, last initial and location to confirm if you are interested.

Please specify if you are interested in temporarily donating an expansion module (I don't have one), I will be temporarily donating my only Q Rack if there is enough demand to take this to the next step.

Also, if you know a Q or XT owner interested in a voice expansion, send them over to this post to throw in their 2 cents.

If anybody knows some other forums for Q users to get the word out on this please let me know where else to post - any suggestions are welcome.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 9:46 am    Post subject:  Waldorf Q Voice Expansion clone project
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In talking with the Waldorf Tech, the compatability chart is below:

The XT series (including XTk) all use Motorola 56303 voice DSP (But some of the earliest XTs are NOT expandable).
The Q series is more complicated, the first run of Yellow Qs used a Motorola 56303 also.
This means only the oldest Q expansion modules with Motorola 56303 DSP are compatible with newer (expandable) XT series and Early Q (V1) Mainboards.

The Motorola DSP was changed in later Yellow Qs (V2) to 56362. This is why the newer expansion (V2) will not work and will damage the V1 mainboard of a Q or any XT/XTk mainboard.

The V2.x (Motorola 56362) expansion version will work in all 2.x and 3.x Q mainboards (including the micro Q).


Expansion Ver_____V1a_____V1b_____V2.x
XT/XTk (New)______Yes_____No______No
Q (Yellow V1)______Yes_____Yes_____No
Q (Yellow V2)______No______No_____Yes
Q (Blue)__________No______No_____Yes
Q (Halloween)_____No______No_____Yes
Q (Phoenix)_______No______No_____Yes
Micro Q__________No______No_____Yes


Here is the potential Donor list: (Need more for revision compatibility checks)

selgart - Waldorf Q rev. EXP (Good)

depsilon - Waldorf Q rev. 1 - (Good) - YLW

Dougster - Waldorf Q rev. 2 EXP (Good) - BlU

Dougster - Microwave XT rev. 2 EXP (Good) - ORG

inaheartbeat - Waldorf Q rev. x EXP (Good)

sergio - Microwave XTk (Good)

sergio - Waldorf Q rev. x EXP (Good)


Here is the Request Status Update List - (52% the way there on demand on this forum... lost 3 users)
Total count including other sites Close to 80% - (will revise once messages come in to waldorfqexpand@gmail.com)

depsilon - Waldorf Q rev. 1 - YLW

THE_ASKII - Microwave XT rev. 3

mrgkeys - Waldorf Q rev. 2 - ORG

selgart - Microwave XTk rev. 2

Jojjelito - Microwave XT rev. 2 - ORG

ditabeardmemo - Microwave XT rev. 3

ugufru - Microwave XTk rev. 2

ugufru - Microwave XT rev. 3

dukino - Waldorf Q rev. 2 - BlU

inaheartbeat - Microwave XTk rev. 2

splitpoint - Waldorf Q rev. 2 - BLU

izzio - Microwave XT rev. 3

shinichiroh - Waldorf Q

shinichiroh - Microwave XT

oli - Microwave XT rev. 2

ThumptyJumpty - Waldorf Q rev. 1 - YLW

ThumptyJumpty - Microwave XTk

Dewb - Microwave XTk

renegadebliss - Waldorf Q rev. 1 - YLW

sergio - Waldorf Q

sergio - Microwave XT

knuttability - Microwave XT rev. 3

inductionloop - Waldorf microQ Px

jon909 - Microwave XT rev. 1

L0g1c - Microwave XT rev. 3

sawanotsuru - Waldorf Q Px rev. 3

msepsis - Microwave XT


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 7:42 pm    Post subject: Re: Waldorf Q Voice Expansion clone project
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depsilon wrote:
I have been looking for voice expansion modules for my Q-Rack, they are hard to find now and the Waldorf distributors are tapped out.

I found a company in the US called Encore Electronics that is willing to produce a lot of 50 or more of these units, but there are 2 requirements:


Encore made/makes clone expansion boards for the Nord Modular G1 & G2 synths- and they work quite well.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2012 5:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Hi,

I am interested in voice expansion for Microwave XT (rev. 3 board).

All the best,
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 11:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

+1 for MWXT (#3 board)
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 11:17 am    Post subject:  Interested in Microwave XT Voice Expansion Board
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I am interested as per request to notify, for a voice expansion board for my Microwave XT, revision 2 with Delay and dull "fuzzy" orange finish, NOT the Nextel glossy and bright. Would like to know if this would be a "plug and play" board or require soldering? I ALSO have a MicroQ, the bright screaming yellow rack unit, which I think would require soldering (not sure) if the 75 voice expansion ever really existed and could be cloned as well.
FYI--my XT serial # 920727192. My email is rinman4@columbus.rr.com to contact me directly. Just recently retired/disabled USAF Veteran, getting back to home studio set-up and because of my obvious "disconnect" from the real world for years, just came across the great forum and registered today. Thank you very much.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 7:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Welcome to the forum Robert!

Regards,
Doug

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 7:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I have a Q that's been expanded to 32 voices. I also have an XTk for which I'd like to get an expansion board. I'll have to check the board versions of all of those, but if needed I'm open to (temporarily) donating my Q to the project as long as I could get some assurances that it won't be blown to smithereens. :-)

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 11:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Way to step up Seth!!

- Thank You for volunteering.
Couple questions for you:

1- What color is your expanded Q? (pics?)

2- Your XTk did not come with the voice expansion?

3- What is the revision on your Q expansion module?

If all goes well, you should not need to worry - I am proceeding very cautiously on the beta testing side of things - the design engineers at Encore know what they are doing - they have done this kind of thing before for Clavia users.

If you change your mind, let us know. We can flip the switch once we have another 42+ user commits and Waldorf and Encore approval. Keep posted here for updates - and spread the word to our fellow Q and XT users Smile
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2012 8:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

depsilon wrote:
Way to step up Seth!!

- Thank You for volunteering.
Couple questions for you:

1- What color is your expanded Q? (pics?)

2- Your XTk did not come with the voice expansion?

3- What is the revision on your Q expansion module?

If all goes well, you should not need to worry - I am proceeding very cautiously on the beta testing side of things - the design engineers at Encore know what they are doing - they have done this kind of thing before for Clavia users.

If you change your mind, let us know. We can flip the switch once we have another 42+ user commits and Waldorf and Encore approval. Keep posted here for updates - and spread the word to our fellow Q and XT users :)


1. Black. I realize everyone calls this the blue Q, but it looks black to me. Of course, you can certainly ignore that as I'm going to have my eyes tested for color vision later this year. :-)
A couple of photos here: http://www.boxoftextures.com/q/

2. No, the XTk is "only" a 10-voice model. I also have a 10-voice Shadow XT as well.
http://www.boxoftextures.com/xt/ (I no longer have the orange one.)

3. Well, I don't know. I struck out on both finding a way through the menus to tell me what the version is (of the expansion board, not the Q itself) and on figuring out how to open the synth to take a look. There's a video on how to open a blue Q but it's not for the one I have. Mine has the wooden ends and the video is for the "new old" Qs. I'd be more than happy for a hint on either method of finding out the expansion revision number.

The video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXDrluQ9QsE) shows the guy taking the ends off and then taking out a number of screws on the bottom of the Q. I have the same screws on the bottom but while taking them out loosened the top panel a little it was still locked down. The wood ends look to be attached with screws from the inside so I'm guessing you'd have to open the synth first before taking them off. Anyone know how to do it?
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2012 9:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I have a 10-voice matt orange XT (most likely rev 2) so I'd be very interested in a voice expansion. I'll have to check the version in the menu when I get back in town after the weekend to be sure.

Cheers!
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2012 9:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I've been doing a lot of traveling for work, but at some point in the future when things settle down, I may be able to help. I have an expanded blue Q, and an expanded Nextel orange XT. The Q came expanded, and I bought the last XT expansion card that was available here in the US at the time and installed it myself. Made me laugh how originally they wanted 100 bucks to install the XT expansion card. They told me it was a very complicated process. As I remember, I put in four standoffs and plugged it in. Heehee...! Rolling Eyes

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2012 1:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I am interested in the voice expansion for the Microwave XT rack, revision 3 board. I'm located in Brooklyn, NY.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2012 1:56 pm    Post subject: Interested.
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I have a XT and XTk and would buy cards for either or both.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:34 am    Post subject: Re: Interested.
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i am also very interested

i have one of the latest Q blue 16 voices

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 5:56 pm    Post subject:  SCORED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Just wanted share that I just scored a Micro Q with yes, 75 VOICE Expansion, version 2.18!!!!!!!!!!! Did not consider this off-topic due to the very nature and rarity of these things coming-up on ebay! FYI-same seller NOW has Microwave XT Rack in pristine, never rack mounted condition. What has been happening in last year, perhaps because of Waldorf's resurrection, is the prices of our "legacy hardware" are going nowhere but UP!
I would think that a savy investment venture would be for someone to purchase several of these proposed expansion boards for Q/XT because providing all goes through and all work as expected; these expansions would be money in the bank, akin to numbered prints if only say, 50 are produced...hint hint to venture capitalists! Smile
Doing Ren and Stimpy "happy Happy Joy Joy Dance this evening! I just hope my bumble bee yellow Micro Q plays nice with Big Blue MicroQ...yep, already named him! Anyone else do that? Always named my cars...

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PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2012 8:38 pm    Post subject: SCORED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Sweet deal namnibor!!!,

Can you post some pics of the expansion for the micro you got when you get some time? I could not find any on the internets. A look at the front and back could be very informative as to the differences in expansion across our legacy hardware. Still no word from Waldorf. I will ping them again.
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PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2012 9:59 pm    Post subject:  MicroQ Expanded Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Well, it has to ARRIVE via FEDEX next week yet...so will be a bit before I even take pics let alone open BIG BLUE up...but will indeed eventually. I am still keeping my bumble bee yellow MicroQ because actually, I now have 100 voices, technically!! Plus that bright yellow and blue face is one of the sexiest rack units above the XT and Supernova 1 above it...cannot WAIT to hear MULTI's with the 75 voice expansion!
Do not become impatient with Waldorf regarding reply about anything other than Blofeld because being still attentive to detail, am sure they are eventually going to give a thorough reply when they do. After all, it's their legacy and am SURE they are excited that there's such avid interest. Think about the FACT the new pulse 2 is advertised on their website as being BACKWARDS compatible with Pulse and Pulse Plus....telling me they still own the very "intellectual property" still and who KNOWS what they may have up their sleeves? Would LOVE to take a peek in the Waldorf R&D Dungeon to see what's ALIVE on their slabs for future release!Smile Seller is having a manual printed and bound for me, he also recently sold an XT and three Pulse's...another whom has gone the studio in the closet downsizing to only vsti...and I am happy to be a bottom-feeder in this dire economy.

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PostPosted: Fri May 04, 2012 2:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Will the expansion be compatible with a Microwave II?
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PostPosted: Fri May 04, 2012 3:56 am    Post subject: compatible with a Microwave II? Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Check with Waldorf to be sure, but I think the DSP implementation on the Microwave II and the XT are different enough that there would need to be serious rework to make that happen. Plus I don't know if Waldorf ever sold any expansion Modules for the Microwave II or if the OS is designed for expansion.
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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2012 4:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I have an XTk that I would love to get an expansion board for. It was my understanding that the Q and XT expansion boards were the same. Not sure what my board rev is cause the XTk is still in transit to me Wink

Note that I have a Q with a voice expansion already.
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PostPosted: Sun May 27, 2012 9:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I have a blue Q and would be interested in a voice expansion if they become available.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 2:37 am    Post subject: Re: Waldorf Q Voice Expansion clone project
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Hi all, i'm new here...
I'm searching for a Microwave XT (board rev 3) voice expansion!

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 6:57 am    Post subject: I have Qrack 16voice and XT 10voice Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Hi,
what a exciting project this is... I want to get this board both for my Q&XT strongly!!
Do you plan to ship to Japan?
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 8:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I would like an expansion board.

I have an XT rack rev 2.

Oliver F, Australia

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