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IPAD and Keyboard midi for live gigs
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 5:42 am    Post subject: IPAD and Keyboard midi for live gigs Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Hi all,
i 'm a musician and i have an home recording project that i would like to bring it in a live contest.
at home i work with my pc, an m-audio usb external sound card,my keyboard midi and i use Cubase 5 with vst.
Recently i 've buy a new ipad and i would like to use it for replace the Pc.
so now i have :

- an Ipad 3 without jailbreak.
- a midi/usb keyboard (1 midi out).
- an external usb sound card.

Now, what i need and how can i use them?
i see many videos where guys use Camera Connection Kit to connect Keyboard with Ipad.Ok,so i't s the best things?and what CCK works?
5 to 1?Apple version or cheap wersion?
i see also the IRIG MIDI for connect keyboard via MIDI.
what is the better? CCK or IRIG MIDI ? MIDI or USB ? Sound card or not?and what i should use for output in a live contest?
thanks in advance,and sorry for too many questions but i think that these informations are really useful for a new future in live music for Ipad.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 7:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I use an Alesis IO Dock with an iPad 2 and it seems to work fine so far. I decided on the Alesis Dock because I wanted the iPad to function as an integral part of my music equipment, so it needed inputs and outpus and full MIDI.

I will admit 'though that I would not use an iPad for live shows yet. Stuck notes and missing notes are very common. There is a reason why many of the music-related apps have a very easy to get to PANIC button.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 10:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

You might want to take a look at the following:

http://m.matrixsynth.com/2012/10/innerclock-systems-runs-sync-timing.html

http://m.matrixsynth.com/2012/10/poor-midi-timing-and-note-jitter-in-ios.html

David Lackey of Innerclock Systems, who specializes in sync and timing, chimed in. Also see the corresponding Facebook thread linked in the posts. As with any instrument it just depends on how you plan to use it.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2012 10:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

You are welcome!
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2012 12:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Hmm... complaints about iPad MIDI performance are few and far between here at electro-music.com.

I guess nobody here syncs external MIDI sequencers/arps to iPad MIDI sequencer output.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2012 6:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I'm thinking maybe not very many people here are using the iPad as an integral part of their setup.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2012 8:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Keysandslots wrote:
I'm thinking maybe not very many people here are using the iPad as an integral part of their setup.

Randy


Or maybe they're just too busy making music to check the forum.

The Experimental Synth and Create Digital Music websites have plenty of examples of MIDI sequencing using an iPad. But nobody on either site has mentioned anything about MIDI timing issues. Perhaps its because hardly any of those folks sync another MIDI sequencer to the iPad sequencer output.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2012 8:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I use mine mainly three ways, one as an editor for my synths:

http://m.matrixsynth.com/search/label/M%20Editor
http://m.matrixsynth.com/search/label/iPad%20Editors

Two, to sequence external synths - mainly with Little MIDI Machine and PolyStepArp.

And three for the stand alone synths on it - Sunrizer, NLog Pro, Magellan, Animoog and so on.

You can find a ton of posts via the iOS label here:
http://m.matrixsynth.com/search/label/iOS

Check out Rheyene:

http://m.matrixsynth.com/search?q=RheyneMusic&max-results=20&by-date=true

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2012 8:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Oh, and when Division 6 comes out with their MIDI to CV modules, I'll be using it with Liine's Lemur to control my modular.

http://m.matrixsynth.com/2012/06/cv-engine-new-modules-in-works-from.html

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 27, 2012 5:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

GovernorSilver wrote:
Keysandslots wrote:
I'm thinking maybe not very many people here are using the iPad as an integral part of their setup.

Randy


Or maybe they're just too busy making music to check the forum.

The Experimental Synth and Create Digital Music websites have plenty of examples of MIDI sequencing using an iPad. But nobody on either site has mentioned anything about MIDI timing issues. Perhaps its because hardly any of those folks sync another MIDI sequencer to the iPad sequencer output.


My iPad isn't a sequence source. I do use it for real time control, but I can't say it is midi. And in my case if it's expected to be a voice (not usually) it is hooked up to a CCK USB to MIDI which works pretty well.

Curious though. I haven't been paying much attention to iPads as sequence controllers. Is it a problem? Question

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2012 1:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

thanks for the reply,
this forum doesn't notify your posts Confused
anyway i'm just bought a powered usb hub ,camera connection kit and i've bought
garageband,it sound good and latency is pretty low ( for a tablet)
i don't think is a great substitute of a notebook but for a little use in live (
only a piano and some backing tracks )is quite good.
now i must think to play the click for the drummer,
you think that a jack / RCA cable and 2 panned tracks in GB can do it?
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