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PCBs for Thomas Henry's X-4046 VCO
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Argitoth



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 09, 2012 11:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

What is going on? Look at what my multimeter gave me for resistor readings. I made doubly sure I was only touching the legs of the resistor. RED = multimeter shows wrong value. BLUE = BOM value. I re-tested R17 multiple times, even testing it from the bottom of the PCB. All resistor markings are correct, but the value isnt?!?!?! Shocked

What's more interesting? The PCB I have not wired (my other waveshaper) shows the correct values on my multimeter! Shocked Shocked Shocked

Edit: On my second waveshaper, the multimeter shows 45.7K for the 2.2M value (R55). That's the only resistor that shows the wrong value.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 09, 2012 11:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

When the resistors are soldered in, they will be connected to other components that can and will give you readings different than the nominal value.

For the really basic example, if I have a 100k resistor that is mounted parallel to the CW and CCW legs of a 100k pot (this is not a real world example), if I try to measure it I will read 50k--because it's seeing the two 100k's in parallel.

There's not likely to be anything QUITE that simple in this circuit, but I have never been able to read resistance reliably once the circuit is soldered together. It *is* dependent on the details of the circuit, however....
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 09, 2012 1:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Argitoth wrote:
What is going on? Look at what my multimeter gave me for resistor readings. I made doubly sure I was only touching the legs of the resistor. RED = multimeter shows wrong value. BLUE = BOM value. I re-tested R17 multiple times, even testing it from the bottom of the PCB. All resistor markings are correct, but the value isnt?!?!?! Shocked

like elmegil said, measuring resistors in circuit is not that simple, actually. it might be that there are resistances in parallel that you don't see at the first glance.

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What's more interesting? The PCB I have not wired (my other waveshaper) shows the correct values on my multimeter! Shocked Shocked Shocked

wit ICs inserted? anyways, without wiring, and this wiring might cause parallel resistances...

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 09, 2012 1:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Yeah, I think my next step is to wire my other X-4046 VCO and put this one (the one we were debugging) through an oscilloscope to ensure the DC trimmers are correct. I do want to correct the weak sine signal. I'll have to debug that later. I know Dave Brown does debugging. Is there anyone else I might ask to look at my waveshaper if I can't figure it out?

Edit: As for the PWM init sensitivity, the square is now audible most of the turn, so that's good. Haven't tested PWM cv.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2012 12:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

BTW to all who are concerned/interested, i will order a few more PCBs end of month. so if you need some more, just tell me.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 3:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

COMPLETED!!!! This is my second build, works flawlessly. Now I have this one to compare with my other one.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 5:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

omg fonik!!! Evil or Very Mad the AC/DC switch is so weird!

I'm using an SPDT on-on, Mouser #: 629-GS1150511

AC to top pin, DC to mid pin... wrong
DC to top pin, AC to mid pin... wrong again.
Turn the switch 180 degrees... correct!

wtf? Question
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HansRL



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2012 6:10 am    Post subject: PCB set wanted Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Hi.

Not sure if this is the popper way to indicate interest in the next batch, if there is going to be a new run of this PCB set?

Or if someone have an extra set they like to part with they can PM me?

Please excuse me if this is considered rude or improper behavior on this excellent forum.

thank you!
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2012 7:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

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AC to top pin, DC to mid pin... wrong
DC to top pin, AC to mid pin... wrong again.
Turn the switch 180 degrees... correct!


Electrically the first two options are the same. There can definitely be a bit of confusion though when wiring switches in general. The way to keep things straight is to envision the switch handle running through the body of the switch. It's a little like a teeter totter. When you push the handle down, the other end goes up and connects the top contact to the middle contact. When you raise the handle back up, the other end goes down, and connects the bottom to the middle contact.

Hope that helps

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