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sonicwarrior

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Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 11:43 am Post subject:
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I recently found out that there is the 4022 chip with 8 outputs which looks otherwise exactly like the popular 4017 with 10 outputs.
Musically 8 outputs make more sense and many sequencers based on it are using only 8.
So why does nobody use a 4022 instead of the 4017?  Last edited by sonicwarrior on Thu Dec 06, 2012 12:10 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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slacker
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Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 11:52 am Post subject:
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I've never used one because until about 30 seconds ago I'd never heard of them  |
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Dave Kendall

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Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 1:56 pm Post subject:
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Only thing I can think of, is that 4022s are rarer, and have a different pinout. The CLK, ENABLE, CARRY OUT and RESET pins are the same as the 4017, but the pinout for the Q outputs is different.
Apart from the pinouts, the Motorola datasheets for the 2 ICs seem identical.
cheers,
Dave _________________ "The Higgs Bosun's finally been found. So where's the Higgs Captain?" |
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analog_backlash

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Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 5:01 pm Post subject:
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It's a good point that you've made sonicwarrior. Nearly all simple sequencers I've seen are based on the 4017 (including ones that I've thought of myself). Musically, the 8-step 4022 seems more sensible. I'm sure that effectively they are the same (apart from step length and pinout as already mentioned), as most manufacturers seem to put them on the same data sheet (I have the NatSemi and SGS-Thompson ones to hand). The only problem I can see is that an 8-step 4017 can be expanded to a 16-step 2 x 4017, but this uses some of the unused outputs. With the 4022, there are no unused outputs, so this is more difficult (or impossible?) to achieve.
I am planning to build (eventually) a clock divider/distributor/gate sequencer which I was designing using 4017s, but I've just looked at my stash of chips and I have six 4022s. I think I might use them, since I don't have any other urgent use for them.
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JingleJoe

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Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2012 2:52 am Post subject:
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| analog_backlash wrote: | | so this is more difficult (or impossible?) to achieve. |
that sounds like a challenge I think it is possible but we'll have to experiment first
update: without extra logic it may be impossible however you can make a 14 step as it is  _________________ As a mad scientist I am ruled by the dictum of science: "I can't really be certain but I think I might have an idea"
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analog_backlash

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Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2012 6:16 am Post subject:
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| JingleJoe wrote: | | analog_backlash wrote: | | so this is more difficult (or impossible?) to achieve. |
that sounds like a challenge I think it is possible but we'll have to experiment first
update: without extra logic it may be impossible however you can make a 14 step as it is  |
I knew that someone would rise to that, hence the (?)! Just thinking about how the 14-step could be done without extra gates - I'll work it out eventually...
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JingleJoe

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Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2012 8:26 am Post subject:
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| analog_backlash wrote: | | JingleJoe wrote: | | analog_backlash wrote: | | so this is more difficult (or impossible?) to achieve. |
that sounds like a challenge I think it is possible but we'll have to experiment first
update: without extra logic it may be impossible however you can make a 14 step as it is  |
I knew that someone would rise to that, hence the (?)! Just thinking about how the 14-step could be done without extra gates - I'll work it out eventually...
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ah, slight misunderstanding, the 16 step sequencer with 4022s requires extra gates/logic but the 14 step is possible with only two 4022s. _________________ As a mad scientist I am ruled by the dictum of science: "I can't really be certain but I think I might have an idea"
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