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Portable white noise generator
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 8:56 am    Post subject: Portable white noise generator Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Hi everybody!

I want to build a simple white noise generator and I need it to be portable, so my idea was to have it powered from a 9v battery. I found this design from an old experimentalists anomymous forum post.
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Here supply is 9v instead of usual 15v I've always seen from a 2 transistor noise circuit and I supposed the ampification stage after the 2 transistors is for compensating the weak signal is coming out from them. So I built the simplest 2 transistor noise circuit
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(which despite from the 9v in the figure, with 2n3904 transistor works just with 12+ volts as supply) put an inverting opamp with about 45db gain at the output, and used a supply of 9v, but I had no success (nothing is coming out exept hum sound)...

There's one part of the first circuit I didn't really understand, which could be the cause of my problem: the + pin of the opamp is just connected to ground through a resistor? I don't understand why there's also the supply indicated there...

Any suggestion?

thanks!
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 11:50 am    Post subject: Re: Portable white noise generator Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

cagnarrogna wrote:
There's one part of the first circuit I didn't really understand, which could be the cause of my problem: the + pin of the opamp is just connected to ground through a resistor? I don't understand why there's also the supply indicated there...

Yeah, that's wrong. R6 and R7 should form a voltage divider, providing the (+) input with 1/2 Vcc. Try moving the end of R7 shown connected to Ground to the opamp + pin instead.

If that doesn't improve things, try wiring the noise source the same as the second circuit, which most definitely does work at 9V. If THAT doesn't sound better, try my circuit.


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 3:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

hmm I didn't have any succes with that simple white noise generator either. that is at 9V. It worked but I think I also needed to
provide at least 12V. I tried several similar ciruits, different kinds of transistors but all had the same problem. So in the end I just
made a voltage multiplier using a 555 to power it and that worked fine. Rolling Eyes

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 4:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

The simple two transistor design will work on 9V. I have used this several times. But it does need to be 9V. At 8V it will really be struggling to make noise. If you are using a battery, make sure it's new. Socket your transistors and test many of them to find the noisiest. I have had good results with PN100's or 2N2222's.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 03, 2013 3:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Hey!

yeah, my 9v battery wasn't really providing 9v... Embarassed

Many thanks richardc64 for the circuit, that was exactly what I was trying to achieve. I just didn't know (yet) how to make an inverting amp with a single supply!
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