Does anyone plan to release Haible PCB's in the future?

KnobHell · Joined: Jan 28, 2012 Posts: 49 Location: SLC

After posting my last message I had an additional thought...

How about getting the art work to EM to produce boards? EM represents the community, in a sense represents Jurgen. Just as Klee and MPS boards are made to benifit the community.

As to Jurgen's children, I would suggest that people who buy boards from EM also donate to Jurgen's legacy. I am not suggesting anything formal, maybe just using a pay pal address. This would not be money going to his family by selling a product, it would be gifts from "random" people.

I think as a community we are the ones that need to step up. When governments have the interests of the "common good" in mind, they have no ones interest in mind.

Thoughts?

len

sonicwarrior · Joined: Dec 22, 2005 Posts: 189 Location: Cologne, Germany

elmegil · Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2013 10:25 am Post subject:

Is there really a good way to judge who will make them for their own use or not? Hasn't that issue been at the root of several high profile "fights" in the synth communities?

Harry_W · Joined: Dec 01, 2011 Posts: 53 Location: Erlangen/Germany

@patricef:
You are right with your apples comparison; but usually a heritage doesn't consist of perishable goods. Maybe a cellar full of old wine, at most Wink

@All others:

I have no clue where the layouts are. I have no access to Juergen's PC either, maybe there they are. I would give them to e-m with pleasure, and I am sure, also with the consent of Haible family. They should be present at the board manufacturer as herber files, or am I wrong?

I only have a pile of Juergen's folders full of hand-made and automated drawings and specifications of his projects (planned and finished ones). All written technical documentation seems to be on my side, but no data files, CDs or whatever.

@elmegil:
I see no way to prevent people here from doing what they would like to do. I can even understand them becoming impatient. What they do depends on their own conscience.

Best regards,
Harry_W

elmegil · Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2013 11:18 am Post subject:

Which was my point.

I don't think we can make the statement that we / you are just "sending them to those who are going to build one for their own use." as KnobHell suggested. They are either freely available (to use or abuse) or they are not. The vast majority of us here want all benefit from the legacy, including the PCBs and circuits, to go to Jürgen's family. But it only takes a couple bad apples to decide they don't care to make for bad feelings and possibly bad outcomes all around. We have seen this with other designers, including relatively recently with Ian Fritz.

That said, I do like KnobHell's suggestion about EM boards and donations to Jürgen's family.....

KnobHell · Joined: Jan 28, 2012 Posts: 49 Location: SLC

Well, being at a standstill on the Gerber files might I suggest this:

1. Create a Jurgen Haible restoration fund. Minimum contribution is $100

2. Get high resolution photos of the front and back of every board people are interested in. Prioritize by demand on which boards will be created first.

3. Assemble volunteer teams to reverse engineer boards from the photos.

4. Use some of the funds to produce the prototypes.

5. Testers pay for the components from their own pocket, but can keep the completed board.

Priority of the testers pool come first from those who contributed to the restoration fund.

6. Remaining funds go to Jurgen's children. And of course some percentage of the funds from future sales.

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I commit will commit the first $250 to the project.

I am willing to reverse engineer boards from photos, or review. I use ExpressPCB, since that does not produce Gerber files I don't know if that is acceptable. Although they do offer a production service.

I can build test boards, but mainly want to do so on the boards I am ultimately interested in owning. (Frequency shifter and possible a living vco.)

I don't want to be in the overall management of the project or funds.

Len

KnobHell · Joined: Jan 28, 2012 Posts: 49 Location: SLC

Forgot to add...

EM holds the IP that is produced.

len

samuraipizzacat29 · Joined: Mar 15, 2011 Posts: 5 Location: allentown, pa

I'll lend a kicad helping hand.....

KnobHell · Joined: Jan 28, 2012 Posts: 49 Location: SLC

I don't know that this will ever go anywhere. I posted this over at Muffs and got a hell of a thrashing. For some reason the consensus was to wait until the German gov settles the estate, or hell freezes over. (I'd bet on the later)

Twisted Evil

len

sonicwarrior · Joined: Dec 22, 2005 Posts: 189 Location: Cologne, Germany

Maybe a solution would be to layout completely new PCBs with somewhat different features. Like a Tau Phaser that is able to take DIP14 or SO-14 THAT 300 chips or SOIC-14 LM3046 instead of the discontinued DIP8 SSM2210 or similar (LM394, MAT02, ?) or DIP14 CA3046. All three are available @ Mouser. Plus I would design it as a module and include power connector footprints for MOTM and Eurorack. And I would try to make it more Eurorack compatible maybe by splitting it into two boards or something like that.

On the other side this may lead to think the original PCBs are somewhat obsolete.

But there are still some unfinished projects without any PCB. Why not start there?
Like the Vocoder or the Transient Gate.

patricef · Joined: Sep 07, 2012 Posts: 6 Location: France

Would it be possible to make a (big) pedal version ? Like, an upgraded version of the Boss DC2.