My Alesis Andromeda A6 Editor & VST

ProFete · Joined: Aug 29, 2012 Posts: 30 Location: France

hi

i have just tried it with reaper, it work.

at this moment it's a simple remote with some latency unfortunately

but anyway i am waiting for fututre update Smile

ps : tested on sonar platinum, it NOT work,
it recognised as an audio fx not as an instrument
and not all parameters are shown

thank for your work.

Pollux · Joined: Apr 10, 2013 Posts: 64 Location: USA

Yep yep yep!

Like I had mentioned in my original post :

terryd1 · Joined: Oct 10, 2014 Posts: 2 Location: Toronto, Canada

Pollux · Joined: Apr 10, 2013 Posts: 64 Location: USA

Is anyone else noticing inconsistent behavior?

For example, I was gone the past weekend. Before I left, my Andromeda VST was working. When I got back on Sunday, I was having some issues -- like the latency someone had mentioned before, and the Andromeda wouldnt accept too many parameter changes at once.

Fast forward to today, Tuesday, and everything is working better than ever. I experience absolutely no latency at all what so ever from moving the sliders on the VST, and hearing the changes.

What are others experiences, and on what daws, with what settings?

This thread has gotten 200+ views since I've released the VST, but no one has replied. You guys suck as beta testers. If people don't start reporting bugs or giving me feed back then I'm gonna make the file only available to select testers who send me feedback, heh.

Mangoo

Wow, finally!!!
Will try this asap Smile

Unfortunately RED is only a digital release so a signed copy will be hard, sorry Smile

Thanks Pollux Smile

Pollux · Joined: Apr 10, 2013 Posts: 64 Location: USA

Anytime Mango! Knowing I created a program that may be helpful on future god-like productions...lets me die a happy man jackson dancing

If there's anything missing that would assist in aforementioned god-like productions, just lemme kno!

Mangoo

Unfortunately this will not work in Cubase since it only finds it as an VST FX instead VST Instrument so i cant try it for now.

Smile

/M

Pollux · Joined: Apr 10, 2013 Posts: 64 Location: USA

unfortunately I came to the same conclusion....I played around with compiling the VST in many different ways to try and get Cubase to recognize it as the "right kind" of plugin (Instrument vs FX).

Such limitations are what made me switch to Reaper, but I will try working with the Cubase Development team to see how I can get this working for ya'll :] I'll play around with Cubase this weekend,

Cheers

Pollux · Joined: Apr 10, 2013 Posts: 64 Location: USA

The issue stems from the fact that in Cubase, only MIDI Tracks can send Sysex to the Audio Interface, so we have to find a way to get the Sysex Events out of the Andromeda plugin on an Instrument track, into a MIDI Track

I've learned that the "MIDI Plugin's" used by Cubase aren't VST Plugins, but rather something called "VSTMA" Plugins.

Mango, or anyone with Cubase, I think maybe it is possible to get the Andomeda VST working in Cubase with a little bit of routing wizardry. Would someone beable to report back after trying the following routing trick (I cannot test this at the moment, my Cubase Trial expired). This Cubase Routing trick may only work with MIDI Notes (and not with Sysex Messages...try it!)

- Load the Andromeda VST as an Insert Effect on an Audio Track
- Create a MIDI Track
- In the MIDI Track Input-Drop-Down, The MIDI output of the Andromeda VST should appear -- select that as an input for the MIDI Track
- In the MIDI Track Output-Drop-Down, select a track where the MIDI Data would be routed into the Audio Interface

ProFete · Joined: Aug 29, 2012 Posts: 30 Location: France

Mangoo · Posted: Fri May 13, 2016 3:33 pm Post subject:

Will try when im back in the studio in some days Smile

Pollux · Joined: Apr 10, 2013 Posts: 64 Location: USA

All,

I've re-uploaded the zip (http://analogdessert.com/vst/Andromeda-Cockpit-v0.1.zip) with some additional .dll's included.

I'm now including separate versions compiled as an Effect, and a version compiled as an Instrument. I assume depending on how certain DAW's route things, you'll either have to use the Instrument, or Effect version (REAPER WILL HANDLE ANYTHING THOUGH Twisted Evil

)

ProFete,

Please try again with the INSTRUMENT version and let us know! Surprised

pfrancq · Joined: May 15, 2016 Posts: 9 Location: Belgium

Is there a plan to release a Mac version of it ?

Pollux · Joined: Apr 10, 2013 Posts: 64 Location: USA

Nope

Mangoo · Posted: Tue May 17, 2016 5:27 am Post subject:

Haya!

Cubase doesnt read the VSTi at all. Dont know why Sad

Only the fx version show up.

/M

Please try again with the INSTRUMENT version and let us know! Surprised

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ProFete · Joined: Aug 29, 2012 Posts: 30 Location: France

with the news dll i'm able to add andromeda cockpit as vst instrument but impossible to route it to the synth

i can record the pot movments of the vst into sonar track, that all

Pollux · Joined: Apr 10, 2013 Posts: 64 Location: USA

Thank you Mango and ProFete for testing!

As of right now, I've only got the Andromeda VST working in FL Studio, and Reaper

I guessssssss Illlllllll reinstallllllllll Cubase and start playingggggggg arounddddd

davros303 · Joined: Feb 18, 2012 Posts: 8 Location: Australia

Hi Pollux,

Really happy to see this and that you are continuing to support. Ableton doesn't natively support sending sysex, but there are a few hacks / workarounds including M4L and this user remote script called Clyphx:

http://bassmusic.io/t/send-sysex-w-ableton-no-max-4-live/13448

Has anyone managed to get this up and running in Live?

Also found this iPad editor which claims to access all 1200+ parameters of the Andromeda - https://audiobombs.com/items/576/alesis-andromeda-a6-editor

But much more interested in automating it from my DAW...!

Pollux · Joined: Apr 10, 2013 Posts: 64 Location: USA

no problamo!

I own REAPER, Ableton, BitWig, and FL Studio -- I've never had any success getting it working in Ableton (Only Reaper + FL Studio), but I also don't have Max4L. I remember playing around with the GlpyhX Live Addon, to no avail though.

I know of a solution that will allow the Andromeda VST to work in any DAW -- but the setup maybe too esoteric for most people hehe Twisted Evil

You would need to get LoopBe (http://nerds.de/en/loopbe1.html) or loopMIDI (http://www.tobias-erichsen.de/software/loopmidi.html) to create some virtual MIDI ports, and then install MIDI-OX to setup the routings between the virtual MIDI ports and real MIDI ports. That kind of routing setup is par for the course for many VST Synthesizer Controllers.

For example:

1. LoopBe would create a virtual MIDI Port, called "LoopBe #1, and LoopBe #2"
2. Using MIDI-OX, route MIDI In from my Audio Interface -> to LoopBe #1 and #2 In
3. Using MIDI-OX, route MIDI Out from my Audio Interface -> to LoopBe #1 and #2 Out
4. Setup the DAW to use LoopBe #1 as the MIDI In and OUT.
5. Setup the Plugin to use LoopBe #2 as the MIDI IN and OUT

The reason we need two loopBe Virtual MIDI Ports, is because on Windows only one Application can have a "Handle" to a MIDI Port. With this setup, we essentially create as many virtual 'clones' of our Audio Interfaces MIDI Ports that we can then use with other VSTS/Applications without any single application hogging the "Handle" to the MIDI Ports

Since the Andromeda Plugin would be configured to send and receive SysEx directly to any MIDI Ports one selects in the Andromeda VST's GUI, the SysEx messages never get routed through (or FILTERED) by the DAW. Twisted Evil

This would allow it to be used with any DAW.

Maybe I'll do this? A raw version (as exists today), and another version with a GUI & MIDI Port selectors.

Thoughts?

Pollux · Joined: Apr 10, 2013 Posts: 64 Location: USA

Also I've realized why there's latency sometimes in regards to hearing the adjustments from the VST -- It seems to be related to how many notes are being held down (including Unison Voices)

I'm sure some of you have noticed that the Andromeda's screen can become really laggy and unresponsive when trying to adjust parameters when the Andromeda is playing really big chords (especially with Unison Voicing on).

Just like the screen becomes less-responsive when lots of voices are being played, I think the same thing is happening in regards to accepting and executing SysEx messages.

This may be an inherent flaw in the Andromeda, and the only way to mitigate it's effects would be sending less data to the Andromeda at a time Sad

It's barley noticeable though unless you're playing really big chord with many Unison Voices.

sunny pedaal · Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2016 9:11 am Post subject:

isn't that due to sysex format ?
lots of data , midicontrolers uses up far less..
already the jd800 suffered from it when changing three or four parameters by sysex , it became soo slow reacting...

on the other hand, with the a6, i never really noticed what you describe. maybe due to playing with only two osc per voice . Or because i was so involved in playing Smile

RETRIVOX · Joined: Jan 26, 2011 Posts: 12 Location: L.A. Mexico Moscow

It smells so tasty! I'll try this on my Cubase, maybe Mixbus too this weekend...

There are two thin A6 places:
first is the ~31 kbs midi speed, too slow to receive lots of nrpn/sysex data, and the second is an ancient Motorola Z80 microprocessor.
By the way, few years ago I've asked Mike about processor upgrade. He hoped it could be possible, but maybe needs some software update to adjust the LFO speed etc.

So, check this thread:
https://www.gearslutz.com/board/electronic-music-instruments-electronic-music-production/943468-andromeda-a6-os-update-project.html

hrastprogrammer · Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2016 8:55 pm Post subject:

RETRIVOX · Joined: Jan 26, 2011 Posts: 12 Location: L.A. Mexico Moscow

hlzdnb · Joined: Jul 17, 2016 Posts: 3 Location: uk

Hi, i've been able to open it as a vst on cubase, basically renaming the dll as andromeda64.dll. Is cubase weird way of finding dll tho , for example i had to rename the fx version as andromed.dll to have it opened. So try to rename the files or move them in different folder, BUT the bad news, is that does not show any gui for both the instument and fx version, it just show the controls like generic editor. Btw pollux i sent you a pm. Really looking forward to the development of this!