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PostPosted: Wed Jan 07, 2004 4:31 am    Post subject: Filesharing plunging Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

The RIAA Lawsuits Against Online Music File Sharers Appear To Have Had A Devastating Impact

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The percentage of online Americans downloading music files on the Internet has dropped by half and the numbers who are downloading files on any given day have plunged since the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA) began filing suits in September against those suspected of copyright infringement.

Furthermore, a fifth of those who say they continue to download or share files online say they are doing so less often because of the suits.

A new nationwide phone survey of 1,358 Internet users from November 18-December 14 by the Pew Internet & American Life Project showed that the percentage of music file downloaders had fallen to 14% (about 18 million users) from 29% (about 35 million) when the Project last reported on downloading from a survey conducted during March 12-19 and April 29-May 20.

"The record industry law suits have been a watershed event in American culture, so we naturally wanted to see how they might have affected people's behavior" said Mary Madden, a Research Specialist at the Pew Internet Project who co-authored the new study. "While some people may simply be less likely to admit to downloading now, we have never seen an Internet activity drop off this dramatically. And the comScore data confirm that something significant has happened."

The data from comScore Media Metrix, based on the company's continuously measured consumer panel, show significant declines in the number of people with peer-to-peer file sharing applications running on their computers. The declines in the user base of each of these applications from November 2002 to November 2003 were: 15% for KaZaa, 25% for WinMX, 9% for BearShare, and 59% for Grokster.
Conversely, comScore has observed that in recent months a growing number of consumers have turned to a new generation of paid online music services. In November 2003, 3.2 million Americans visited Napster.com, which re-launched as a paid online music service in late October. Apple's iTunes, which expanded to serve Windows-based PC users in mid-October, drew 2.7 million such visitors in November.

While multiple factors may have contributed to the decline, every nook of the music downloading world has been affected, including the parts of the population that were the most prolific users of online file-sharing networks. Steep drops in downloading were recorded among students, broadband users, young adults (those ages 18-29) and Internet veterans.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 07, 2004 7:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Victory thought intimidation. Works for gangsters, Nazis and the RIAA.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 07, 2004 7:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Not exactly what I think you guys consider the american way. But.. we are living in the age of fear now..
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 07, 2004 9:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I don't necessarily attribute it to the lawsuits. Filesharing was this cool new thing a few years ago and everyone just had to try it. I think its novelty is simply fading and the majority of people figured out they can hear most of the popular mainstream music that most people like in other ways more easily, like by turning on the radio. Which is fine, it gets rid of some of the people who fileshared Britney Spears crap ad nauiseam and leaves room for us actual music enthusiasts to find the older and more underground stuff.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 07, 2004 3:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Maybe everyone downloaded everything they want. Goodness knows I have for the most part, at least with regards to music. Wink

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 08, 2004 1:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

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I don't necessarily attribute it to the lawsuits. Filesharing was this cool new thing a few years ago and everyone just had to try it. I think its novelty is simply fading and the majority of people figured out they can hear most of the popular mainstream music that most people like in other ways more easily, like by turning on the radio. Which is fine, it gets rid of some of the people who fileshared Britney Spears crap ad nauiseam and leaves room for us actual music enthusiasts to find the older and more underground stuff.


Good points! But this also means that fringe artists, the small guys, are the ones who really suffer from p2p filesharing. The labels will not reissue old material and the stuff hits the net instead.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 08, 2004 8:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

It isn't going away, that's for sure. I just hope it's still widely used [Kazaa in this instance] when my CD is done, as I intend to dump the entire album on Kazaa and the like. It's going to end up there anyway (hopefully). I might as well A. enjoy some quality control, and B. benefit from it's strengths (file sharing) as much as possible.

I have a personal stake in the continuation of p2p FS. My tactics are partially dependent on that outlet. Blah. And fnord, by the way.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 16, 2004 4:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Report: Illegal Music Downloading Climbs
Thu Jan 15, 7:24 PM ET

By ALEX VEIGA, AP Business Writer

LOS ANGELES - The number of people downloading music illegally surged a month after recording companies began suing hundreds of music fans, a marketing research firm said Thursday.

The number of U.S. households downloading music from peer-to-peer networks rose 6 percent in October and 7 percent in November after a six-month decline, according to a study of computer use in 10,000 U.S. households conducted by The NPD Group.

In a separate, bimonthly survey, 12 million individuals reported getting music on the free networks in November, up from 11 million in September, NPD said.

Previous surveys dating back to May — when 20 million people said they were downloading music from file-sharing networks — showed a steady decline in the number of file-sharers.

Russ Crupnick, vice president of The NPD Group, speculated the apparent increase in music file-sharing could merely be seasonal, as new album releases before the holidays heightened demand. He also said less media coverage of the recording industry's lawsuit campaign could have figured into the increase.

The Recording Industry Association of America has filed more than 380 copyright infringement lawsuits against individuals across the country since September and reached settlements for thousands of dollars with hundreds of individuals since.

Consumers might also have been tapping into the free networks to compare how they sized up to the new crop of legal digital music services, Crupnick said.

"It's important to keep in mind that file sharing is occurring less frequently than before the RIAA began its legal efforts to stem the tide of P2P file sharing," Crupnick said. "We're just seeing the first increase in these numbers."

Jonathan Lamy, a spokesman for the Washington-based RIAA, which coordinates the industry's anti-piracy campaign, said that effort is on the right track, regardless of what the NPD studies show.

"For us, the ultimate measurement of success has been, and continues to be, creating an environment where legal online music services can flourish," Lamy said in a statement. "All indicators point in the right direction — sales of CDs, legal downloads and awareness that file sharing copyrighted music is illegal — have all increased."

More RIAA lawsuits against file-sharers are coming, he added.

NPD's household data sample is representative of all U.S. households and has a margin of error of plus or minus 0.5 percent, NPD spokesman Lee Graham said. The firm's bimonthly survey is based on 5,000 respondents, age 13 or older, and has a margin of error of plus or minus 1 percent, Port Washington, N.Y.-based NPD said.

Recent studies of online music piracy, which the recording industry largely blames for a four-year slide in overall music sales, haven't always shown the same upward trend in file-sharing.

A survey released earlier this month by the Pew Internet & American Life Project and comScore Media Metrix found that since May, the percentage of U.S. Internet users who download music was down by half, to 14 percent. The same report also found declines in usage of popular file-sharing programs such as Kazaa and Grokster.

But NPD's findings mirror data from other file-sharing tracking firms, such as BigChampagne LLC, which says traffic on file-swapping networks like FastTrack and Gnutella has continued to rise.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 16, 2004 4:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Yes, filesharing will increase.

But people are buying DVDs and music CDs for gift for XMAS and such in record breaking quantities anyway.

All human beings love to own stuff. I propose the idea that there is a big potential in making the actual physical object.. the CD and DVD a better product. This can be like improvements to the actual packaging etc.

The way the big labels have marketed the music the last decades has created a state of instant consumption. If you hear the music on the radio and wherever you are.. in cafes and whatnot.. why buy the damn CD if the music is not more than fairky OK and you know you will be fed up with the songs by the end of next week? And then the big labels will bombard you with the same songs for months until you puke.. man.. ! ..and if you DID buy the CD.. you feel more like giving the damned thing away.. And there is always new music being released. These are commodities.. for instant consumption. Back in the old days.. sure.. we copied all the LPs onto reel to reel tape.. often with low tape speeds in order to stuff more LPs onto that expensive tape. And we often copied onto reel to reel tape anyway in order to save the actual LP from scratches and shit. But anyway.. if you coud dig Coltrane, or VDGG, or Jethro Tull or you name it.. you had to buy the stuff eventually. It felt right and satisfying to own the stuff. "This is what I like.. and it is MINE!"

What we need now is a new drive at building artists long term. Pop has eaten itself long ago.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 16, 2004 5:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I remember the joy of having a new LP in my hands. Reading the notes while listening to the music. It was a fetishistic item much more than a CD. I kept the more precious ones enveloped in plastic envelopes. I was always very careful with the needle of the turntable. Very seldom I did lend LPs to friends (usually I copied them on tape) Very Happy
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If you hear the music on the radio and wherever you are.. in cafes and whatnot.. why buy the damn CD if the music is not more than fairky OK and you know you will be fed up with the songs by the end of next week? And then the big labels will bombard you with the same songs for months until you puke.. man.. ! ..and if you DID buy the CD.. you feel more like giving the damned thing away.. And there is always new music being released. These are commodities.. for instant consumption.


A good argument for bringing back the single. For the purposes of instant consumption of a couple popular hot songs, the cheaper, and the less unwanted extra stuff hanging on, the better. Plus the internet is an ideal distribution medium for such. That's the whole reason I thought iTunes sounded so nifty.

I've been thinking that the big labels' real problem, since the 90s most noticeably to me, is that they have increasingly focused on what has broad appeal, and in so doing they miss out on what has deep appeal.

If I'm going to spend $15+ on a CD I'd better still want to listen to it once in a while, two years or more down the line. Major labels haven't really been pushing music with long-term appeal. They push a lot of stuff at teens that they are going to grow out of pretty soon, though.

I heard from a friend who's studies marketing that there's a rule that says that "80% of your business comes from 20% of your customers." Major labels are ignoring that rule and that is what is hurting them. They're trying to sell to the 80% of customers. The 20% who buy 80% of the records are the real hard-core music FANS, people who love music, and these people generally appreciate interesting, quality music with long-term appeal and artistic value. Since the 90s, the major labels have neglected this core market, causing them to migrate en masse to the indie labels/artists.

The teen pop market is always lucrative, but mainly becase these kids buy a lot of pop-star schwag: posters, lunch boxes, Bop magazines... but in reality only a few actual records/CDs, in my experience.

Once upon a time, I think particularly in the 70s and 80s, major labels did a good job of appealing to both sides of the market, bringing us musicians who were both pop stars and artists. We really aren't seeing that anymore. Well, we are somewhat, but again, it's coming mainly from the indies.
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I think particularly in the 70s and 80s, major labels did a good job of appealing to both sides of the market


not sure about the 80's ...javascript:emoticon('Rolling Eyes')

goods points, tho

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I heard from a friend who's studies marketing that there's a rule that says that "80% of your business comes from 20% of your customers." Major labels are ignoring that rule and that is what is hurting them. They're trying to sell to the 80% of customers. The 20% who buy 80% of the records are the real hard-core music FANS, people who love music, and these people generally appreciate interesting, quality music with long-term appeal and artistic value. Since the 90s, the major labels have neglected this core market, causing them to migrate en masse to the indie labels/artists.


Yes.. this is part of my usual argument that the majors have misunderstood the market and the way they sell their goods.. The big labels are trying to hit the market 100% and this is why the spending is so immense.. the marketing costs are plainly silly. They should instead focus on those 20%, or 5%, or 2% and delivering each segment sensible products instead of forcing artists with percieved "mass appeal" up our collective asses. OK.. so we get fucked by Britney Spears ... then they try to send X number of clone products up the same chimney .... and then these clever minds are wondering why the market is lying on the floor bleeding. Are these guys rocket scientists? I think not!

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The Lycos 50(TM) Top 10 Search Terms for the Week Ending January 10, 2004:



1) Paris Hilton
2) KaZaA
3) Britney Spears
4) Clay Aiken
5) Mars Rover
6) NASA
7) NFL
Cool Brooke Burke
9) Taxes
10) Atkins Diet



Notes of Interest

Britney Spears (#3) still can't get past Paris Hilton (#1) and KaZaA (#2)
to reach the summit of The Lycos 50 once more, despite her wacky New Year's
wedding to high school boyfriend Jason Alexander. Approximately 10 percent of
Spears' searches this week specified the wedding. Once again the planet Mars
finds itself high up on The Lycos 50 not because we can see it from Earth, but
because we can see it from Mars. Among the hottest items on the World Wide
Web over the past week are pictures of the planet Mars taken by the Mars
Spirit rover (#5). This exciting development in man's exploration of space
has people looking for NASA (#6), for the Jet Propulsion Laboratory that built
the rover, and for exciting pictures of rocks. Also heating up Mars queries
this week was President Bush's announcement of a plan to send America back
into space, with a goal of eventually sending astronauts to Mars.

Poor Britney is only third Sad

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 16, 2004 10:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Poor kid. She has a bad time right now. I wonder.. will she end up like Elvis?
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Poor kid. She has a bad time right now. I wonder.. will she end up like Elvis?


Whatcha mean? Fat?

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Messing with guns? Fat? Dead? Lonely? Anxiety? Booze and drugs?
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<imagining Britney as described above>









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PostPosted: Tue Jan 20, 2004 3:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

.... yes.... and then she does Las Vegas big time!





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