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Whacky, Zany, Weird Stripboard Layout
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microjackson



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 17, 2005 3:32 pm    Post subject: stripboard confusion Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

ok, i'm pretty new to this stuff (i've built a paia fatman though).
i went out and bought all the parts, but i think i bought the wrong board. i bought the kind where each hole on the copper side is seperate (no hole connects to any other hole). is this the wrong board? can i still use this one, or would it be easier just to go buy a different one?

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 17, 2005 9:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

A PCB is the easiest. Even better if you plan to do more than 1.
- But the process of getting the chemicals and printing it is a bit daunting for some.
- Stripboard is a little more susceptable to mistakes. But if you're only doing 1 of something it's quick and easy. Just put aside a bit of time to double check the layout before you start. (If you're using the stripboard layout on MFOS it's right, I designed that one) And check every cut you make on the tracks, if they're right everything else really only has one right way of going together.
- The experimenters board you got is a bit more susceptable to mistakes. If you've got an eye for detail you could do the WSB on it. Just use the bent over leads to bridge along the tracks for as far as you need. Complete each set of connected holes one at a time, rather than each component. This should pick up mistakes along the way.
Or just go back to the shop and get some stripboard!

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 18, 2005 12:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I've just built one with wirewrap/stripboard hybrid this afternoon (using roadrunner from farnell and turning stripboard into tripad board). I'm just putting the finishing touches to it. It's a bit "plain" but it should work.

I'll post photos of the outside, inside and hopefully some sounds if I can coax my laptop into working with my M-Audio transit (do not buy one of these - they are a pain in the arse).

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 01, 2006 2:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

ok, picked up a couple stripboards today Smile
one thing that is kind of confusing me is precisely where and how to connect the pots, any help? thanks for the advice so far!

happy new year,
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 01, 2006 5:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Some of the pots only need 2 wires ie: the wiper is shorted to one end. In this case I've only put two posts on the board. Two 100K are set up as voltage dividers ie: they use three wires back to the board. Just make sure the centre one goes to the right post! (I just checked; centre post to centre tag)
In both cases swapping the other connections will just reverse the turn of the pot. You can make sure they are ok as you go, (refer to schem) or just hook them up and reverse the ones which are back to front later.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 28, 2006 9:12 am    Post subject: 9 knobs, right? Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

So I just finished my WSG and tested it and everything seems to work great. Very Happy I'll post some pictures once I pop it in a really cool box. Something that I still don't get, though, is that the stripboard layout has 9 knobs and 2 switches but all the pictures I've seen posted of finished WSGs have 5 or 6 knobs. How did I pick up the extra knobs? Just curious.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 28, 2006 4:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

The standard WSG has only one channel. Ray pointed out that the 40106 has three spare triggers in it, so my stripboard layout includes the second channel, (4 extra pots + 1 extra switch)
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 28, 2006 8:27 pm    Post subject: IC Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

So I'm using a 74C14 (not a 40106). Should that make any difference?
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 29, 2006 2:01 am    Post subject: Re: IC Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

microscope wrote:
So I'm using a 74C14 (not a 40106). Should that make any difference?


it makes no difference.

links to datasheets
40106
74C14

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PostPosted: Sat May 27, 2006 11:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Hello!

My supplier has the 40106B, is that the same thing too?
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PostPosted: Sat May 27, 2006 12:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

welcome soap

i used 40106B and it's all good.
just be sure you get the "dual in line"-package (DIP) ones.

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PostPosted: Sun May 28, 2006 1:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

This one, right?

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PostPosted: Sun May 28, 2006 1:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

yeah -i had the 40106BE but, yours will do just fine.
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PostPosted: Sun May 28, 2006 2:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

What is the difference exactly?
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PostPosted: Sun May 28, 2006 10:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

soap wrote:
What is the difference exactly?


the first letters are the manufactures Prefixes then comes the part number and Suffixes, usually B stands for Buffered Output. then comes the package code

HEF40106BP: 14-lead DIL; plastic

HEF40106BD: 14-lead DIL; ceramic (cerdip)

HEF40106BT: 14-lead SO; plastic


so for WSG - any part that is a xx40106xx (Hex Schmitt Trigger) in DIL-package will do.

some one please correct me if I'm wrong

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PostPosted: Mon May 29, 2006 3:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Hello soap hello welcome

soap wrote:
Hello!

My supplier has the 40106B, is that the same thing too?


Yes.it's ok.
I have used the HEF40106BP and WSG works well Very Happy
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PostPosted: Wed May 31, 2006 12:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

soap wrote:
My supplier has the 40106B, is that the same thing too?


Nicolas Collins wrote:
The Hex Schmitt Trigger may be labeled whit the numbers 4584, 40106 or 74C14. There may be prefixes, suffixes, or additional number strings that you can ignore, but chips whit a different "innerfix" may not work: if labeled 74HC14 or 74AC14 they will not run on a 9-volt battery, and so are less suitable for this project. If you purchase them sight-unseen (i.e., online), make sure all your Integrated Circuits have a "dual in-line" (DIP) specification, not "surface mount devices" (SMD), as the later are infernally small and difficult for prototyping.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 6:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Hi, I'm new to this and have nearly completed soldering up the stripboard layout. (Thanks for that by the way). My problem now is that I'm not sure how to wire up the various pots, switches and power supply, or any idea what each one does. Could anybody knock up a quick diagram?

Thanks,
Jamie.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 12:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

doomrock wrote:
or any idea what each one does. Could anybody knock up a quick diagram?


Hi Jamie,
welcome to electro-music.com forum Surprised

I might have a diagram buried somewhere into my pc that will answer this part of your question...
I will try to find it out, and post it here...
bye,

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 8:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

here you go...
at least you will know what does what...
good luck... Surprised

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 1:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Hello all.
I am another newbie that wants to get into making these DIY synth projects - they look ace and good fun. Plus my friend has just started to build a SidSynth and i want to get in on this action.
I have never done this before so i think this will be a good one to start with. I have no idea on how to make the PCB (apart from when i was at school and drew a grid with a permanent marker onto a copper plate, dipped it in acid and hey presto - but surely there must be a more 'pro' way to do it??), so im going to use the stripboard layout.

As im new to this, i was wondering if anyone has a strip board layout that includes the led (plus the resistor to protect it) and a volume knob?
Also - is a pot and rotating knob... lol?? What a true newbie i am!

Thanks all

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 1:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Or has anyone got a PCB for sell to make this synth??
Lorenzo's design as found on MFOS webby??

Cheers all

Steve
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 1:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

welcome steve3186

Great to have you here. Very Happy

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 12:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I was just comparing the parts list for the layout on MFOS. Lorenzo PCBoard uses the same components that are listed with the addition of an LED, Resistor for the LED and Volume rotary right?

The list of parts for the strip board layout are different i was wondering why this is? Any info anyone??

Thankyou

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 1:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

steve3186 wrote:
The list of parts for the strip board layout are different i was wondering why this is? Any info anyone??


Hi Steve and welcome.

the sripboard uses all the capacity of the 40106
so there is 2x zany 2x wacky 2x weird

and the PCB uses the half of the capacity (as shown in MFOS schematic)
1x zany 1x wacky 1x weird

both designs come whit the filter (oddness)

there is no volume knob or led on stirpboard, but if you want i can draw them for you


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