Patch technique

nbozic · Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 7:14 am Post subject: Patch technique

Hi,

What is the technique called that's equivalent to the Roland "Slicer" effect? (I hear this type of technique a lot in Trance music.)
How would you make the patch for the G2?
If you're not sure what I'm talking about, click on this sound file: http://www.clavia.se/G2/G2_teaser.mp3.
The file is from the clavia website, and at about the 16 second mark a lead slowly starts to transition in, which sounds like it's being "sliced".
I tried to contact the Clavia guys temselves but they never answered...

Thanks,

NB

Blue Hell · Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 7:22 am Post subject:

Welcome nbozic to electro-music.com

I listened to the track, to me it sounds like a sequence maybe made by Dasz followed by Ake Dalielson playing his guitar patch. So it are two pieces that have been faded into each other after recording.

I may be wriong of course :-)

deknow · Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 8:18 am Post subject:

...i think what you are looking for is gating a sound.

here is a quick one i put together. the event sequencer (at the bottom of the note sequencer) defines when the gate will be open (sound let through). the envelope generator has a vca built into it, so the each event triggers the envelope, and lets the sound through while the envelope is open.

try pressing the "drone" button. this is all the sound being generated without gating.

you can also use a divided clock or other trigger for the gating.

a common (i think) techniuqe in trance is to have a heavy bass drone that is gated opposite the kick drum (the volume of the bass drone is turned down when the kick happens)...this can be done easily with a compressor and sidechain (this gives that "boom wahhh boom wahhh" effect...it can be used with other sounds other than bass as well).
deknow

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deknow · Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 8:23 am Post subject:

here is a trance side chain thingy
deknow

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dasz · Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 8:24 am Post subject:

It's not one of my mp3's. It's Ake's stuff.

/Dasz

nbozic · Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 9:37 am Post subject:

Awesome! Big thanks for the patch attachments Very Happy

- I'll check them out when I get off work!

deknow · Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 9:38 am Post subject:

....they will run on the g2 demo software...no need to wait until after work if your boss isn't around Smile

deknow

ian-s · Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 12:26 pm Post subject:

Varying the gate time on every third note. For a more elaborate version see http://electro-music.com/forum/download.php?id=3618

This one requires tweeking the delay times when you change the tempo Rolling Eyes

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nbozic · Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 10:13 pm Post subject:

Ok, here's what I've got so far. It sounds pretty close to the actual Roland Silcer effect, but it seems as if there's something missing... I'm not sure.

NB

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A sliced trance lead. I used one of the preset patches from G2 (3 Filter) and added a few additional modules to make the sound "sliced". The added modules are in Gray color.

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dasz · Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 10:32 pm Post subject:

nice work! glad you posted your 1st patches ...

I think you just need to fatten it up ... add chorus, flange, short delays (feeding back into the mixer, heh heh Smile

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Let me know if you need more explanation (PM).
/Dasz

nbozic · Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 1:28 pm Post subject:

Thanks Dasz. Yes, it definitely needs more fine tuning to give it the professional quality.
I'm glad I got it to work, because at first I didn't know if it was possible to accomplish on the G2... and if I needed to buy an external effects processor.
I should have known better - everything is possible with the G2! Very Happy

dasz · Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 4:27 pm Post subject:

well, ah, yes and no.

a. yes, add more finalizing stuff, to fatten up is to go into one direction (exploration wise).

or

b. no, explore the sound generation circuit, bend it, add this here, see what it can do. worry about fattening it up later.

I started with b. a long time ago, and have been combining b and some a since g2 came out. but i do need more a.

If you start with a. it will be easier to make tracks, but your synth-groove-design will suffer. if you start with b. you have too many ideas and its hard to put a track together.

I guess a mix of both is the way to go.

External effects? i agree, no need, unless you want a particular "sound". except for mastering Smile

Almost everything is possible with the G2. IF you want more, for that you need a computer language and/or max/msp.
/Dasz

cappy2112 · Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2006 12:55 am Post subject:

[quote="deknow"]....they will run on the g2 demo software...no need to wait until after work if your boss isn't around Smile

deknow[/quote
Hmm, where have I heard that one before Smile

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mosc · Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 12:54 pm Post subject:

This "slicing" thing you are doing is very cool. This is a bit like what brass instrument players call tonguing; to separate or articulate (notes played on a brass or wind instrument) by shutting off the stream of air with the tongue. This is how they play repeated 16ths and 8ths.