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PostPosted: Sun Jan 18, 2004 8:00 pm    Post subject: U.S. Eyes Space as Possible Battleground Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

"This conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience. The total influence -- economic, political, even spiritual -- is felt in every city, every State house, every office of the Federal government. We recognize the imperative need for this development. Yet we must not fail to comprehend its grave implications. Our toil, resources and livelihood are all involved; so is the very structure of our society.

In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.

We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together."


Military-Industrial Complex Speech, Dwight D. Eisenhower, 1961



U.S. Eyes Space as Possible Battleground
Jan 18, 11:20 AM (ET)

By Jim Wolf

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Bush's plan to expand the exploration of space parallels U.S. efforts to control the heavens for military, "This conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience. The total influence -- economic, political, even spiritual -- is felt in every city, every State house, every office of the Federal government. We recognize the imperative need for this development. Yet we must not fail to comprehend its grave implications. Our toil, resources and livelihood are all involved; so is the very structure of our society.

In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the militaryindustrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.

We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together."
economic and strategic gain.

Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld long has pushed for technology that could be used to attack or defend orbiting satellites as well as a costly program, heavily reliant on space-based sensors, to thwart incoming warheads.

Under a 1996 space policy adopted by then-President Bill Clinton that remains in effect, the United States is committed to the exploration and use of outer space "by all nations for peaceful purposes for the benefit of all humanity."

"Peaceful purposes allow defense and intelligence-related activities in pursuit of national security and other goals," according to this policy. "Consistent with treaty obligations, the United States will develop, operate and maintain space control capabilities to ensure freedom of action in space, and if directed, deny such freedom of action to adversaries."

No country depends on space and satellites as its eyes and ears more than the United States, which accounted for as much as 95 percent of global military space spending in 1999, according to the French space agency CNES.

"Yet the threat to the U.S. and its allies in and from space does not command the attention it merits from the departments and agencies of the U.S. government charged with national security responsibilities," a congressionally chartered task force headed by Rumsfeld reported 10 days before Bush and he took office in 2001.

Theresa Hitchens of the private Center for Defense Information said the capabilities to conduct space warfare would move out of the realm of science fiction and into reality over the next 20 years or so.

"At the end of the day it will be political choices by governments, not technology, that determines if the nearly 50- year taboo against arming the heavens remains in place," she concluded in a recent study.

Outlining his election-year vision for space exploration last week, Bush called for a permanent base on the moon by 2020 as a launch pad for piloted missions to Mars and beyond.

One unspoken motivation may have been China's milestone launch in October of its first piloted spaceflight in earth orbit and its announced plan to go to the moon.

"I think the new initiative is driven by a desire to beat the Chinese to the moon," said John Pike, director of GlobalSecurity.org, a defense and space policy research group.

Among companies that could cash in on Bush's space plans are Lockheed Martin Corp., Boeing Co. and Northrop Grumman Corp., which do big business with the National Aeronautics and Space Administration as well as with the Pentagon.
The moon, scientists have said, is a source of potentially unlimited energy in the form of the helium 3 isotope -- a near perfect fuel source: potent, nonpolluting and causing virtually no radioactive byproduct in a fusion reactor.

"And if we could get a monopoly on that, we wouldn't have to worry about the Saudis and we could basically tell everybody what the price of energy was going to be," said Pike.

Gerald Kulcinski of the Fusion Technology Institute at the University of Wisconsin at Madison estimated the moon's helium 3 would have a cash value of perhaps $4 billion a ton in terms of its energy equivalent in oil.

Scientists reckon there are about 1 million tons of helium 3 on the moon, enough to power the earth for thousands of years. The equivalent of a single space shuttle load or roughly 30 tons could meet all U.S. electric power needs for a year, Kulcinski said by e-mail.

Bush's schedule for a U.S. return to the moon matches what experts say may be a dramatic militarization of space over the next two decades, even if the current ban on weapons holds.

Among other things, the Pentagon expects to spend at least $50 billion over the next five years to develop and field a multi-layered shield against incoming missiles that could deliver nuclear, biological or chemical weapons.

Ultimately, this shield -- first proposed by President Ronald Reagan and dubbed "Star Wars" by critics -- may include space-based interceptors, the first weapons in space, as opposed to sensors that guide weapons.

Last year, the Pentagon's Missile Defense Agency obtained $14 million for research on basing three or more missile interceptors in space by the end of the decade for tests.

The plan would field satellites armed with multiple "hit-to-kill" interceptors capable of destroying a ballistic missile through a high-speed collision shortly after its launch, according to Wade Boese, research director of the private Arms Control Association. Such a system could also function as an anti-satellite weapon.

No decision has been made yet to deploy space-based interceptors as part of the U.S. missile defense program "although we are conducting research and development activities in that area," a Defense Department official said Friday.




In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 18, 2004 10:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Interesting article. He is right about the He 3 isotope. The moon is abundant with other resources too. And yes, this is probably the reason why the US has to get there ASAP and establish a moon colony.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 18, 2004 10:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I just saw that Nash documentary ( Did We Land On The Moon?). I guess the US has to get there before the chinese and the damned europeans in order to litter the place with the props from the Apollo program.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 18, 2004 11:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

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I just saw that Nash documentary ( Did We Land On The Moon?). I guess the US has to get there before the chinese and the damned europeans in order to litter the place with the props from the Apollo program.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 19, 2004 3:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Am I right if I recall that the Military-Industrial Complex Speech by Dwight D. Eisenhower in 1961 was his last one?
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 19, 2004 3:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Hmm... possibly.. the last public speech he did?

I think so.. I think I read that somewhere.. Very Happy

You better research it!

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You better research it!

no.......cyx is going to tell us Very Happy

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 19, 2004 4:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

OK... ! Only the Cyx knows
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 19, 2004 4:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Yes, January 17th, 1961, his farewell address.

On my birthday.

I like to play with little pseudosignifigances.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 19, 2004 4:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

elektro80 wrote:
Interesting article. He is right about the He 3 isotope. The moon is abundant with other resources too. And yes, this is probably the reason why the US has to get there ASAP and establish a moon colony.


I wonder if the Wars in Iraq and Afghanistan were really as expensive as the government is leading us to believe, and are serving primarily as another financially lucrative prelude to the next bolt into space. Would I be naive if I were to suggest a parallel, if only in chronology, between Apollo/Vietnam and Colombia/NASA Renewal/The War on Terror?

How off base am I?

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 19, 2004 6:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I guess the costs are immense.. and probably higher than what the senate is led to believe.

The new race to the moon is probably part of a "resource management plan". The arabs are sitting on oil, and hopefully the US will aquire the He 3 assets that the moon promises. And there is a lot of other goodies on the moon. As spacetravel goes, the moon is the best platform for interplanetary travel and outer space probe missions.

I am still very in favour of an international initiative. It is plain silly to let the US do this on its own. The resources on the moon should be shared for the common good.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 19, 2004 6:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

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On my birthday. I like to play with little pseudosignifigances.Cyx

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_8 (my birthday):

Births

1157 - King Richard I of England (d. 1199)
1207 - King Sancho II of Portugal
1841 - Antonin Dvorak, composer (d. 1904)
1886 - Siegfried Sassoon, poet (d. 1967)
1889 - Robert Alphonso Taft, Senator from Ohio (d. 1953)
1897 - Jimmie Rodgers, country music singer, composer (d. 1933)
1910 - Jean-Louis Barrault, actor, director (d. 1994)
1914 - Sir Denys Lasdun, architect (d. 2001)
1922 - Sid Caesar, comedian
1925 - Peter Sellers, actor (d. 1980)
1930 - Nguyen Cao Ky, Premier of South Vietnam
1932 - Patsy Cline, country music singer
1934 - Peter Maxwell Davies, composer
1937 - Virna Lisi, actress (d. 1963)
1938 - Sam Nunn, Senator from Georgia
1945 - Ron Pigpen McKernan, musician (the Grateful Dead)
1945 - Jose Feliciano, singer
1947 - Ann Beattie, writer
1960 - Aimee Mann, musician
1970 - Neko Case, musician
1979 - Pink (Alecia Moore), singer
1981 - Jonathan Taylor Thomas, actor




Deaths

780 - Leo IV, Byzantine Emperor
1637 - Robert Fludd
1811 - Peter Simon Pallas, German zoologist (* 1741)
1933 - Faysal I, king of Iraq
1943 - Julius Fucik, Czech communist and journalist, executed by Nazis.
1949 - Richard Strauss, German composer (* 1864)
1965 - Dorothy Dandridge, actress
1969 - Bud Collyer, television game show host
1969 - Alexandra David-Néel, French explorer, anarchist, spiritualist, buddhist and writer
1977 - Zero Mostel, actor
1979 - Jean Seberg, actress
1981 - Roy Wilkins, civil rights activist
2003 - Leni Riefenstahl, movie maker

so what Question

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 19, 2004 6:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

The Cyxeris birthday! The 17th! Grats!

Did you get an cool gifts?

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July 7 - my birthday

Events

1456 - Joan of Arc acquitted (but she had already been executed).
1534 - First known exchange between Europeans and natives of the Gulf of St. Lawrence, in New Brunswick.
1798 - Quasi-War: The United States Congress rescinds treaties with France sparking the 'war.'
1807 - Peace of Tilsit between France, Kingdom of Prussia and Russia.
1846 - Acting on instructions from Washington, DC, Commodore John Drake Sloat orders his troops to occupy Monterey and Yerba Buena thus beginning the United States annexation of California.
1898 - The United States annexes Hawaii.
1917 - Prince Georgy Yevgenyevich Lvov forms Provisional Government in Russia after the deposing of the tsar.
1930 - Building of the Boulder Dam (now known as Hoover Dam) is started.
1937 - Sino-Japanese War: Battle of Lugou Bridge - Japanese forces invade China.
1941 - World War II: American forces land in Iceland to forestall an invasion by the Nazis.
1946 - Mother Frances Xavier Cabrini becomes the first American saint to be canonized.
1954 - In Memphis, Tennessee, WHBQ becomes the first radio station to air an Elvis Presley record.
1958 - President Dwight D. Eisenhower signs the Alaska Statehood Act into United States law.
1969 - French is made equal to English throughout the Canadian national government.
1978 - The Solomon Islands become independent from the United Kingdom.
1983 - Samantha Smith, a U.S. schoolgirl, flies to the Soviet Union at the invitation of Premier Yuri Andropov
1994 - Aden is occupied by troops from North Yemen.
2004 - The last patent on the LZW compression algorithm (in Canada) expires.




Births

1855 - Ludwig Ganghofer, writer († 1920)
1860 - Gustav Mahler, composer († 1911)
1884 - Lion Féuchtwanger, dramatist and narrator († 1958)
1893 - Miroslav Krleza, Croatian, writer
1887 - Marc Chagall, painter († 1985)
1899 - George Cukor, director († 1983)
1901 - Vittorio De Sica, director († 1974)
1901 - Gustav Knuth, actor († 1978)
1906 - Leroy Satchel Paige, baseball player († 1982)
1907 - Robert Heinlein, science fiction writer († 1988)
1911 - Gian Carlo Menotti, composer
1915 - Yul Brynner, actor († 1985)
1922 - Pierre Cardin, fashion designer
1927 - Doc Severinsen (Carl H. Severinsen), composer, musician
1940 - Ringo Starr (born "Richard Starkey"), drummer and singer (The Beatles)
1945 - Michael Ancram (Michael Kerr, Earl of Ancram), British politician
1948 - Luc Bondy, film and theatre director
1949 - Shelley Duvall, actress: Nashville, The Shining, McCabe and Mrs. Miller
1959 - Ben Linder, American engineer murdered in Nicaragua († 1987)
1980 - Michelle Kwan, figure skater




Deaths

1129 - Emperor Shirakawa of Japan
1304 - Pope Benedict XI, (possibly poisoned)
1307 - King Edward I of England
1572 - Sigismund II August, king of Poland
1880 - Lydia Child, novelist and abolitionist (* 1802)
1901 - Johanna Spyri, author (Heidi)
1930 - Arthur Conan Doyle, writer (Sherlock Holmes)
1967 - Vivian Leigh, actress (Gone with the Wind)
1971 - Claude Gauvreau, Quebec playwright, poet and polemist
1971 - Ub Iwerks, artist, director, cartoonist (drew first Mickey Mouse cartoon)
1972 - King Talal, King of Jordan
1972 - Athenagoras, Patriarch of Constantinople
1973 - Veronica Lake, actress
1980 - Dore Schary, film producer, writer
1990 - Bill Cullen, game show host




Holidays and observances

Bhutan - Guru Rinbochy
China - Chih Nu (Feast of the Milky way)
Japan - Tanabata
Roman Empire - Nonae Caprotinae festival in honor of Juno
San Fermín festival or running of the bulls in Pamplona, Navarre, Spain.
Solomon Islands - Independence Day (1978)
Tanzania - Saba Saba Day (or Peasants' Day, founding of the TANU party, 1954)
Yemen - Unity Factory Day

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 19, 2004 10:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Yeah, there was a cool gift involved. Quite cool, actually. And dinner was exquisit. Wink

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 19, 2004 8:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

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2004 - The last patent on the LZW compression algorithm (in Canada) expires.


o h o h... i live in canada... this is stunnng news..i better warn all canadians of this imminent event heheheh ('Rolling Eyes')


btw... happy 26th cyxeris

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 20, 2004 1:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

LZW! Haha.. cool. Then this means Microsoft will propose LZW as the next audio compression algorithm. state of the art. HAHAHAHahahahahah----- urrrgh..
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I am still very in favour of an international initiative. It is plain silly to let the US do this on its own. The resources on the moon should be shared for the common good.


Hummmm...

US Policy and the Common Good?

Sounds like an quite Oxymoron to me...

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I am still very in favour of an international initiative. It is plain silly to let the US do this on its own. The resources on the moon should be shared for the common good.


Hummmm...

US Policy and the Common Good?

Sounds like an quite Oxymoron to me...


Perhaps, but they should be one and the same, and therein lies the whole problem.

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(Of course it should read "quite an oxymoron")

Yeah, you're right - the "Common Good" *should* be in the interrest of *all* Gouvernments all over the world...

But somehow...

(It's not that I'm only a US/Bush-basher, he just makes an etremely good example how *not* to do things. And a lot of the other Gouvernments that could do a *lot* better at least were elected... Wink)

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