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meeshathecat



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 4:17 pm    Post subject: Oh my god can someone help me
Subject description: new synth driving me up the wall
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hello please to god can someone help me I am a pianist who though that it would be a great idea to join a band so I did as a synth player and I can not work out how to put the sounds that I want together so that when we play live (22 days and counting) I can switch easily from one to another I have a novation x - station 49 can anyone help ?
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 4:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I have an X-Station... what exactly do you want to do with it?
Also, this should probably be moved to a different forum Smile
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 4:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

You could save the sounds you need to a series of consecutive memory locations. Ref. manual page 37 "Saving a Synth Patch" for how to save sounds to specific memory locations. Then when you play live, just use the program up/down buttons to step through the sounds.

Back with an edit: just saw you posting now Kookoo - yes, perhaps it should be in the main How-tos forum. Also, it's probably best you help meeshathecat since I haven't got the synth, only the manual...

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 5:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Ok moved it.

And welcome meeshathecat, hope you'll have some spare time to browse around a bit here & contribite, but probably not Smile

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 6:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I've found MIDI-OX to be invaluable for managing patches. http://www.midiox.com/moxdown.htm

1. Run MIDI-OX and set it up to listen for a SYSEX dump.
2. On the X-Station's global menu, go to "Dump: Current Sound" and press "write".
3. MIDI-OX should recognize the dump and display it.
4. Right-click on the data display and select "save as".

Then, when you want to restore that patch, you just put the X-Station in synth mode (press play) and tell MIDI-OX to send the dump. The X-Station should say "dump receieved" or something like that, and your patch is restored. You can also do this with the entire bank (patches 100-199 and 200-299) The Novation website has the factory default patches for download along with a whole new second bank of patches. Then, like DrJustice says, you just use the program up/down buttons or the program select knob to pick a program.

If the X-Station is connected to a sequencer, you can also automate the patch selection by sending MIDI bank/program commands.

Does that help?
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2006 3:25 am    Post subject:  Don't hate me Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I don't understand what any of that means. Im new to all of this- I'm a classical pianist I thought that would be enough but its not and I'm tearing my hair out. To be honest I've bitten off way more than I can chew. I don't want to f@ck around with it too much and do something I can't change because I'm gigging with it in three weeks (oer not if I can't get this sorted) all I want to do is organise it so that the sounds I need are next to each other when I play live. I don't know waht a dump is and I ve read the manual about 12 times - to be honest it might as well be in greek, I really appreciate your help but I'm a muppet and I need an explanation for someone who has absolutely no clue about what there doing. I hope that you don't hate me. Sad
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2006 3:48 am    Post subject:  PS Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

And also - I have looked around the sight and its really well laid out as far as contibuting is concerned would you really want me to ha ha ha? Sorry I'm just on the verge of tears now its been almost a week now and all i can do is turn it on. Mad
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2006 4:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

DrJustice wrote:
You could save the sounds you need to a series of consecutive memory locations.

it simply means you have to copy the desired sounds on adjacent memory locations of your synth. does it make sense Question

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2006 10:21 am    Post subject: Re: Don't hate me Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

meeshathecat wrote:
I don't understand what any of that means. Im new to all of this- I'm a classical pianist I thought that would be enough but its not and I'm tearing my hair out. To be honest I've bitten off way more than I can chew. I don't want to f@ck around with it too much and do something I can't change because I'm gigging with it in three weeks (oer not if I can't get this sorted) all I want to do is organise it so that the sounds I need are next to each other when I play live. I don't know waht a dump is and I ve read the manual about 12 times - to be honest it might as well be in greek, I really appreciate your help but I'm a muppet and I need an explanation for someone who has absolutely no clue about what there doing. I hope that you don't hate me. Sad


Don't sweat it, you'll be fine. Maybe you underestimated what it would take, but that doesn't mean you're screwed and/or stupid. Just calm down and take your time.

If nothing else, you can just remember which numbers you need and use the DATA/VALUE knob that's under the display to quickly go between numbers. Three weeks of practice might be enough for you to learn to make the program changes by feel Smile

Here's the latest manual. I'm going to reference page numbers, so if you can't find what I'm talking about in your printed manual then you will have to download this PDF and reference it.

http://www.novationmusic.com/files/X-Station%20manual%20V1.1%20no%20Bleed.pdf

The basic idea is:

0. A "patch" is a sound.
1. Figure out how many patches you want to use.
2. Find that many consecutive patches that you DON'T want.
3. Copy the patches that you DO want, which are scattered all over the place, OVER the consecutive patches that you don't want. Now all the patches you want are next to eachother.

Hopefully this makes sense. If not, I can't help you any more than I have. You can't pull this off without losing a few patches since you can't swap the two patches, you can only copy one over another.

Here's how you copy a patch from one place to another:

1. Look at page 37 of the manual. "Editing a patch - saving a synth patch." Read the parts "Saving a Synth Patch" and "To Save a Synth Patch To A Memory Location". Read them until they make sense.

2. Go to a patch you want to move to a different number.

3. Save it (as described by the manual) into the number where you WANT it to be. Note that even though the manual seems to imply that you have to edit a patch before you can save it - you don't. You can re-save the factory installed patches into a different number without changing them.

4. Repeat for all your patches and you're done. These changes are permanent, so you should know exactly which patches are going where before you start moving any of them.

Hope that helps.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2006 10:45 am    Post subject: Re: Don't hate me Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Kookoo wrote:
<snip>no%20Bleed.pdf


Damned that sounds dangerous!

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2006 3:11 pm    Post subject: Re: Don't hate me Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Kassen wrote:
Kookoo wrote:
<snip>no%20Bleed.pdf


Damned that sounds dangerous!


Laughing Just be glad I didn't link to the bleeding version!
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 18, 2006 6:51 pm    Post subject: hi guys
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so i have to say a big thanks - i had my gig it went fantastically and were meeting the girl from the record company next week - I managed to shift all the sounds around - and on friday I downlaoded midi ox and have started playing around with that -thanks mate your a star- so all is well have actually worked out how to work clarabell (my x - station) and as such am now running my (miked up) sax, vocals, RD700sx and my new vocoder (mini Korg - its SO cute) to cubase (which i have also been tearing my hair out over, but no surprises there i suppose) through her so thanks a lot for chilling me out and talking me through the basics. As soon as Ive finished my demo for my new side project (me and three other synth players) Ill upload it and you can tell me what you think (or not dependong how shite it is ) Again thaks a million and hopefully I'll speak to you soon

Big Love

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 18, 2006 7:04 pm    Post subject: Re: hi guys
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meeshathecat wrote:
the girl from the record company
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Big Love


Meesha, I'm happy for you. Just think about what to do when the girl brings an apple, ok ?

Love and piece, good luck !

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 5:45 pm    Post subject: Re: hi guys
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meeshathecat wrote:
so i have to say a big thanks - i had my gig it went fantastically


Awesome, congratulations!
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 5:50 pm    Post subject: Re: hi guys
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Blue Hell wrote:
Meesha, I'm happy for you. Just think about what to do when the girl brings an apple, ok ?


Shocked First thing you do is check if it has an IBM or Intel CPU? Whatever the result is, then you can consider going wild?

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 5:31 am    Post subject: Re: hi guys
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elektro80 wrote:

Shocked First thing you do is check if it has an IBM or Intel CPU? Whatever the result is, then you can consider going wild?


That's not very p.c., Stein!


I apologise.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 7:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

girls and apples

sure you wanna check central processing unit first?
no?

Shocked

uh..

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 9:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

You mean to keep the "little endian" Apples and be "big endian" ones separated? Do you care about those bits?
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 9:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Kassen wrote:
You mean to keep the "little endian" Apples and be "big endian" ones separated? Do you care about those bits?


I think Robert Crumb made a comic book about all things big endian.

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Yeah, I think he wrote on the subject extensively.

Crumb's not very p.c. either, but is he therefore a bad apple, one wonders?

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