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Key Quantizers - what's the best approach
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 28, 2006 11:18 am    Post subject: Key Quantizers - what's the best approach Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I've been messing about with chord generators coupled with note sequencers a lot, and I usually run into problems where I try to generate, say, three notes to make up a major or minor chord, but I can't fit them in the same scale as the other stuff in the performance. The patches have usually gotten pretty messy by then, and it's hard to go back to the root of the problem, and I end up trying to adjust the pitches just before the pitch input to the oscillators.

I am attaching an example (it's a silly perf I've started making that mimics old electric organ rhythm boxes). You'll hear instantly a sine tone that isn't really in tune with the bassline. The sine to is generated by the red modules in slot B. Both the bassline and sine tone is controlled via a MIDI module in slot D. What do I need to do to have the sine tone in tune with the bass? Does anyone out there have a good approach to these sorts of things?

I am guessing that my problem stems from the fact that I'm using the C scale, while the Nord is based on E. Does that mean that you always have to program all of these things in the E scale?

/Stefan


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 8:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I looked at your patch and couldn't figure it out. I'm not sure I have enough time to study it throughly. Can you present a simpler example?
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 9:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Stefan,

I know exactly what you are talking about. You have many slots filled
with patches, and sequencers and they all play in different keys.

I do one of 2 things:

a. I want to transpose the entire prf with my keybaord
---------------------------------------------------------------
1. ensure all the oscs in the all the slots have keyb trackin on.
2. i hit the same key in each slot.
3. I double click on each slot to make it track the keybaord

b. I do not want to transpose the prf
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1. you ensure all the oscs have keyb tracking off. This
method prevents you from changing the pitch using the keyboard.

2. I would also ensure that all oscs are tuned the same in semitones
(or +/- n octaves). Also, I ensure that all sequencers are in
bipolar mode (so +/-1 increments a semitone).


The way I approach patching prfs is to get the basic elements totally tuned right, before I add any sequencers, modulations, or fx. I also decide on one sequencer type for melodies (typically the note sequencer or the level seqeuencer and stick to just using this one type for all sequencing). Once that is done, then I go crazy.

In your prf in slot B one of the oscs (the red one) has key tracking on while all other oscs in that slot and all other slots has key tracking off.
The oscs seem to be set to different pitches, maybe this is on purpose or part of the problem.

Good luck and happy patching!
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 1:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Thanks Very Happy . I'm at work right now, so I'll have to wait until later before I check things out. Leaving the keyboard tracking on on some oscillators is kind of embarrassing Embarassed , sorry. OTOH, I always do that. It would be nice to have a default setting in the G2 editor where you could set "keyboard tracking default=off" or something.

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