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How too make a note gate longer then 1/16 th?
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Yawgmoth



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 28, 2006 12:54 pm    Post subject: How too make a note gate longer then 1/16 th? Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Hello!

I'm working on a patch too sequence my Arp2600 that is connected too my midi setup with a Kenton pro 2000. Every thing works fine sofar. Notes are played and the 6 aux outputs off the Kenton are nicely modulated by the LFO's from the G2.

Now I want too make notes sound longer then 1/16 th. How can this be programmed? For example: 1/16, 1/16, 2/16, 1/16 and 4/16 as a sequence.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 28, 2006 1:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Use a LFOB sawtooth (set to clock sync 1/16 if you like) to clock your sequencers. Add an extra valseq for the gate times, patch the LFO sawtooth and the gate time sequencer to a cmpval module and use its output as your gate. You get variable gate time from 0-100% in 128 steps which means it also does rests and ties.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 29, 2006 5:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Not quite sure exactly what you're after, but if you click on the T (trigger) button on the NoteSeq and change it to G (gate), you can then link consequecutive notes to make longer notes.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 29, 2006 6:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

sheridan wrote:
Not quite sure exactly what you're after, but if you click on the T (trigger) button on the NoteSeq and change it to G (gate), you can then link consequecutive notes to make longer notes.


That's it! So dum of me not knowing this anymore, i've NM for 3 or 4 years Embarassed

Thx for all reply's
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 29, 2006 12:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

but what happens when you want to hold note for 16 steps and then you reset loop but sequencer still holds note. is there better way that T? like hold note for 15 steps and hit new note on step 16? how to do this?

mininano.

my g2 is 2 pc's with g2demo

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 29, 2006 2:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

You replace sequencer with "pulse" module followed by the logic inverter over "sync" signal patched. No use sequencer no more; no needed expensive module for that. Sequencer lots of knobs and schreen space only it's the confusing extra. little small few sample latency no matter for the long notes. Take the easy cheap way in that place.

Also next time you use the "sentence structure" sub patch, no excuse if from USA, me spend long time decoding you words.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 29, 2006 3:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

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Also next time you use the "sentence structure" sub patch, no excuse if from USA,


sorry about my bad english. i am in america temporarily.

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You replace sequencer with "pulse" module followed by the logic inverter over "sync" signal patched.


what do you mean here? can you post a patch?

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 29, 2006 9:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

mininanowave wrote:

sorry about my bad english. i am in america temporarily.


Whoops!

Aplogies.

The bit you want is in red. Instead of the flipflop you could of cource use a sequencer for the pitches.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 29, 2006 10:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

The problem with gate mode is you loose the ability to have two or more consecutive 16th notes.
A gate width conrol input (as a % of tempo) would have been handy on the clock module.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 30, 2006 9:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

wasn't this resolved somehow, maybe by sending a pulse from another sequencer to retrigger the envelope at a certain step?
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 30, 2006 10:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Mininano,

I usualy use an event sequencer for gating (startinng stopping notes). On row 1 I use T (for holding notes longer. On row 2 i put reset notes times.

See patch (this will open on G2 demo)
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 30, 2006 8:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

dasz

your patch looks very good for what i want. i can reset with 2nd row to interrupt connected holding notes on 1st row (step 12 and step 1 reset even when T is on row 1). very happy

i see you made sounds with g2 factory banks. very nice sounding, and different sometimes when your morphing.

mininanowave

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 30, 2006 9:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

kassen, it is ok. i am trying to improve my english here in usa. and i am thinking if i should buy g2 engine here too. it has it 120/240v switch, correct? i do not know how to do electronics (just electronic music).

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 30, 2006 9:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Yeah, I did some sounds a while ago for the G2. I hope to have some new stuff eventually (and just had a wicked weekend with a portable G2 and car sound system experience)

Thus a new avatar. At speed Wink
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PostPosted: Wed May 03, 2006 12:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Seems like there are a lot of different ways to do this. I like to use the level sequencer with the levels outputted to the hold input of a modulable AHD envelope. Maybe a bit more expensive but a bit more readable.

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PostPosted: Sat May 06, 2006 5:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

thank you too antimon,

i like holding notes this way too. your patch combined with dasz patch make very rich sequences.

thank you 2 guys

now help me, should i get g2 engine or g2 keyboard (but it is so much more expensive). i dream of the g2 keyboard. even i when i look on ebay, the price is still high.... i like the keybaord because of 808 style sequencer programming mode (some said this on electromusic).

maybe i need to sell something else (i have enough for a engine), and i have a dp/4 that a g2 may replace well (4 input and 4 outputs of effects) ... how much is a dp/4 worth?

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PostPosted: Sun May 07, 2006 10:37 am    Post subject: Re: How too make a note gate longer then 1/16 th? Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Yawgmoth wrote:
Now I want too make notes sound longer then 1/16 th. How can this be programmed? For example: 1/16, 1/16, 2/16, 1/16 and 4/16 as a sequence.


I posted an example in the Buildingblock section:
http://electro-music.com/forum/post-76684.html#76684

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PostPosted: Sun May 07, 2006 11:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

wow another way too from rob! i really want a g2 now! the demo does not have enough power...

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PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2006 12:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

mininanowave wrote:

maybe i need to sell something else (i have enough for a engine), and i have a dp/4 that a g2 may replace well (4 input and 4 outputs of effects) ... how much is a dp/4 worth?


I wouldn't do that. For the things they have in common the DP/4 knocks the G2 around the block. I seriously doubt anybody will ever make a multi-fx like those Ensoniq's again.

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PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2006 1:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

You should try and get some hands on time with the G2 key. It's user interface does not suit everybody. Looks better on paper than it does in practice. IMO it is like tweaking through a mail slot.
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PostPosted: Wed May 10, 2006 2:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

In case someone else hasn't thought of this method -

How about using a SHAPE LFO set to pulse wave, and sync'd to midi clock, and using a level Seq or value seq (clocked from midi sync'd clock module) to control the pulse width of each cycle of the LFO? This varying-width midi-sync'd pulse would then be used to gate the EGs.

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