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nord modular g2, NIkomplete+kore2 or OSCar ?
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bolizar



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PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2009 3:03 pm    Post subject: nord modular g2, NIkomplete+kore2 or OSCar ? Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

cheers guys....

I gues its not really the right forum for this question, but since it touches a topic this forum specialises in, I decided to post it here...

of the three stated, what would you choose ?

the komplete5+kore2 (http://www.native-instruments.com/forums.html?id=kore2k5&L=1) will get me cheapest, for around 750eur, college version (i am a teacher) it will also bring immense sonic wealth and almost numerous sound sculpturing possibilities

the nord modular g2 I can get new from a store here, where they still have a couple of them units, for around 1500 eur.Now I dont have extensive experience with it apart from spending an hour and a half in the store trying it out, but obviously couldnt get a grasp of its potential with modular abilities used alongside a computer.People do say it is a wicked piece of gear

now the third option is somehow the worst choice regarding bang for buck and versatility, but getting a chance of a fully restored, fully functional OSCar with midi under 2000 euros today is little close to a miracle for this digital analog hybrid monster that I have always dreamed of.


my gear span is as follows:

hardware:
waldorf Q
alesis andromeda
korg ms2000b

software:
gforce media oddity
gforce media imposcar
arturia arp2600v
NI reaktor 3

As you can probably see, I dont exactly have the plethora of virtual/hardware realm, altho I must say I am more after sound modules with specific character, not solely sonic abilities/disabilities.

The reason I decided for this upgrade of the studio arsenal is coz I dont have much experience with modulars, and would very much like to.The oscar is sort of out of this dimension, but ive put it up against those two, just to see what is on my (wish) buy list.


so please, if any of you guys here have any experience with the aforementioned gear, I would kindly ask you to share the knowledge

kind regards

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PostPosted: Wed May 13, 2009 11:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

what you are doing with reaktor and how you like it compared to g2? how do you find it in terms of ease of use versus the G2 having played it?

the g2 has a clean thin sound in compared to some other gear, but it's flexibility and user interface integration, ability to control external gear more than makes up for it (and you some some nice gear).

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PostPosted: Wed May 13, 2009 11:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

If you don't have any experience working in a modular environment, but would like to, then the G2 is the ticket for you! Hands down!

Unlike NI Reaktor, it's as easy to use as a modular can possibly be. Some even claim it faster and easier to use than real analogue modular hardware. And still, it has a tremendous amount of potential and can pull of amazing stuff. Working with the G2 is very hands-on and intuitive, and you get instant feedback (sometimes literally Laughing), which is priceless if you want to learn about modular synthesis. You can futz around and experiment very easily and immediately hear the results. It's fun. I would say it is the best platform for learning modular synthesis. Besides that, it has probably the best hardware UI ever conceived in synth history. And, unlike software, it is very stable. Mine have never crashed in 5 years.

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PostPosted: Wed May 13, 2009 12:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

hey there dasz,

thanks for the reply.


well reaktor is a bit intimidating in its complexity, as far as detail is concerned and I feel I get lost in the constructional dimension of it more and more instead of trying to make an expressive instrument.My main field of teaching is mathematical analysis 1 and 2, so I have more than enough required basic knowledge for it, but since fiddling with the g2 demo i find it WAY more expressive that reaktor, for now.

though reaktor excells at some parts of the spectrum, which the g2 cant (and doesnt even try to) recreate.

Im not really after a "whole" instrument workhorse type of unit, since you mentioned that it is a thin instrument (though even the demo doesnt sound to me thin at all ??).I mostly am interested in more of the far out things one can do with it.for fat stuff and earth moving noises I turn to andromeda anyway (hell it even got a preset named earth mover Rolling Eyes Very Happy )

cheers dasz Smile




@tim : hey mate.HAHHHA instant feedback.good one.thanks for your input


what do you think guys, there is an offer for a showroom g2 unit at a local store for 1300 euros...new ? deal, no deal ?




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PostPosted: Wed May 13, 2009 1:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

bolizar wrote:

what do you think guys, there is an offer for a showroom g2 unit at a local store for 1300 euros...new ? deal, no deal ?

V.


1300 sounds like a good price for a new unit (I'm not sure you'll find it cheaper second hand), assuming it's the keyboard version. Actually, I'm glad that showroom isn't close to where I am, because I would be very tempted to buy it at that price!

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PostPosted: Thu May 14, 2009 7:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I love the G2, but in this case I would buy the Oscar, if it is in a good shape, because it is a very rare opportunity and a fantastic synth.
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PostPosted: Thu May 14, 2009 3:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

hey there,

thanks for all the new input.damn you doctorno, all odds were already in G2s favor and now you come in barging away with the oscar Laughing Cool

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PostPosted: Thu May 14, 2009 10:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

bolizar wrote:
hey there,

thanks for all the new input.damn you doctorno, all odds were already in G2s favor and now you come in barging away with the oscar Laughing Cool

damn equipment


Well, since it's so rare, why not buy it now? You might easily find a G2 later, but the chances of finding an OSCar again....

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PostPosted: Fri May 15, 2009 1:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I kinda have to agree there.

Oscars surface on the market very rarely, so if it's of interest...

BTW - I have Reaktor (as part of Komplete) and to be honest, it hardly ever gets used. I did spend some time getting to know it, but I find configuring it somewhat mundane, as opposed to the G2 which is a joy to program. Smile

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PostPosted: Fri May 15, 2009 4:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Question is you want to collect a synth like oscar or you want to get into modular synthesis?
Collecting synths can be very nice if you can afford it Smile but also some of the electronic component can give up after 25 years and replacement can be very difficult.
If you want to learn about modular synthesis I second the other opinions prefering the G2 over Reaktor. Its so much more fun to program! And as I have a doepfer modular as as well, I don't use it i allways choose the Nord...
Doepfer goes on sale!

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PostPosted: Mon May 18, 2009 2:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

hey there guys,

been fiddling with the demo for a while now, and must say i am very impressed with the results...ive come across this info about the g2 : The G2's 8 Morph Groups per patch let you control sets of parameters from single internal control sources - and via MIDI. In fact, the Pitch Stick on the G2 can also be used to control an entire Morph Group

would anyone please be so kind and explain this ? Is this morphing like, morphing between two patches seemlesly ?? or several parameters?

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PostPosted: Mon May 18, 2009 10:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

It's parameters. I don't have the demo in front of me... is there a line of knobs at the top right, one red and seven blue? Those are the morph knobs. You can assign one morph knob to part or all of the range of several parameters.

If you can't see the morphs in the demo you can try out the proper editor without the hardware.

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PostPosted: Mon May 18, 2009 10:43 pm    Post subject:
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To find sounds that merge different variations of a patch, the G2 offers the Patch Mutator as part of the editor. It allows blending two differnt patches, marrying them to create children, randomizing parameters, or using a sort of built-in morph on typical parameters (such as controlling all envelope attacks, etc). I personally like the addition (and wish it was midi controllable as part of the G2 hardware, but it works great as an inspirational tool when your knee deep in a giant patch.
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PostPosted: Wed May 20, 2009 11:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

hello again,

thanks for the input anti and jk,

yes the demo has line of knobs on the top right, and I have already started experimenting with them a lil....sweet!!

hmm interesting info about the mutator.This blending u speak of JK, how exaclty does it work ? Within the modular framework ? Or do you have to import 2 different presets in another environment to create a prodigy, and then export it as a new patch alltogether ?


btw I have decided for the G2.....it is on reserve, hope I made the right choice ! Embarassed
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PostPosted: Wed May 20, 2009 4:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

It works within the editor, not the hardware. So a computer must be attached to use the mutator. However, it's not "offline", you don't have to open two files, create a third, then open that up, etc. It's within the editor. In fact, it's in the demo as well:

Go to Tools -> Patch Mutator

The 8 variations of a particular patch that's loaded will be at the bottom. Just drag one of them into the "Mother" slot, and hit Mutate or Randomize to see the effects. Click on one of the children to instantly start playing that new variation. Because it's all based on a single patch, the effects are instant.
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PostPosted: Thu May 21, 2009 4:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

man i have been checking out day and night the patches from user library on this forum, the ones i was able to open in demo at least, and i must say.WOW!!!!!!!!!

hats off to everyone, truly insane!
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PostPosted: Fri May 22, 2009 1:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

bolizar wrote:
man i have been checking out day and night the patches from user library on this forum, the ones i was able to open in demo at least, and i must say.WOW!!!!!!!!!

hats off to everyone, truly insane!


Yeah, the demo is great. I used to program patches on my Girlfriends laptop, when away from my G2.. Many of the loopy, sequenced patches then found there way back into my G2 at home and eventually my tunes. One of the negatives is the lack of cpu compared with the real G2 but that is also a plus as it teaches you how to be more conservative/imaginative with your patching.

Have fun with your G2 when you get it. Wink

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PostPosted: Fri May 22, 2009 9:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Hi bolizar,

bolizar wrote:
man i have been checking out day and night the patches from user library on this forum, the ones i was able to open in demo at least, and i must say.WOW!!!!!!!!!

hats off to everyone, truly insane!


Much agreed. There are some really great synthasists here (I don't count myself amongst them). I think this forum community, and the archives, are a terrific asset to the G2 platform.

Make sure you read the manual regarding morphing, as it offers use that the mutator doesn't cover.

I'm not sure if you are getting an expanded G2, or G2x. I think it was really worth it for me. Some patched can really tax the resources. I think with your kit, you won't miss limitations in multitimbrality, or the bigger/better keyboard of the G2x.

You seemed surprised that the G2 platform was described as thin. I do think the basic modules are thin compared to many other platforms. However, I think that is actually OK in a digital modular. I don't think it can do something like a really fat single oscillator VCO, just from one oscillator module though. The complexity can be built into the patches in other ways.

I think the transparency of the sound makes it easier to use in producing music, but it takes a little more effort to sound really impressive as a solo live instrument. Just my opinion. When I bought it, I had hoped for sound more like an analogue modular, which I also love. It took me a little while to appreciate the instrument. It's good in a lot of ways, not least of which convenience of interface.

I think of the G2 as a really good platform to explore modular synthesis. I don't think of it in terms of other forms of modular synthesis any more, as it is really pretty different, with its own strengths and weaknesses.

I think coming from using the demo, and having a mathematical background, and experience in other synthesis, you should be in a really good position to judge what you are buying.

I do think you should read about the limitations of the platform, as described in several threads in this forum. I for one, was a bit shocked by a few things. I think the effects are weak, and sound cheap and outdated, which could have been avoided (with some expense). The filters have real limitations, but can be worked with. Also, don't believe Clavia's original advertising, which contains some false and undelivered claims.

Anyway, hope its a good experience for you.

Oli

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PostPosted: Fri May 22, 2009 10:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Hi,

I forgot to mention, a few people have done some interesting work with encorporating external processing into G2 sounds. Dazs has demos of some elaborate examples of this. There is also a slight mod, where one can bypass the AC coupling caps on the audio outputs, picking up DC coupled signals for use as CV and audio outs, controlling/feeding external gear. I can't recall the details now, but if I have time later, I'll search for a thread. Some things which have been used, are analogue ring modulator, and filters. The DC coupled audio has slightly different tonal characteristics, too. I thought it was pretty cool, though I've not tried it for myself yet. Worth knowing though.

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PostPosted: Fri May 22, 2009 3:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

by thin, I do mean the filters, and there is a bit of thining after the internal mixers, but that is in comparison to a real analog synth or analog mixer, or a great filter va (like a blofeld or xt). the bottom end of the g2 is bad ass.
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PostPosted: Fri May 22, 2009 4:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

hey there oli and dasz,

thank you for the responses again.With every day I explore new grounds in the demo, even if it is limited, it still can go bloody off the hook.

Like i said im usually after synths that have character (or let you create one), and with the g2 I am trying to achieve as much otherworldly stuff as possible.OBviously I am not after moog emulations or stupid hypersaws, as I got that area more than covered.

The thing that got my instant interest is how incredibly cool drum sounds one can achieve with a bit of cable handling, and since my main area in music is producing rhytmical sound libraries for sampling houses this is making me smile ALOT Smile

edit:btw oli i am getting a normal g2 keyboard version for now, obviously though i am very interested in the expansion also
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PostPosted: Fri May 22, 2009 11:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Have a look for the "tillt filter" from Rob Hordijk for warming things up.

Also Tim has just posted this http://electro-music.com/forum/post-245900.html#245900 which will be worth a look.

cheers

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PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2009 11:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

bolizar,

i'm glad you"re thinking of the expansion. besides adding more voices, you can load (100% into the Voice, 100% FX ) on all slots simultaneously (which is a pretty insane amount of power), and could be viable for running all your sequences (yeah, I'm a sequencer junkie)

re: character and the g2, your g2 will have your character ... the mutator creates some out of this world stuff ...

check out what I'm doing with just 1 g2 (expanded), a x0x and blofeld ...
http://www.electro-music.com/forum/topic-34480.html

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PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2009 12:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

yo dasz!

impressive stuff !! even more so for jam work, hats off !!

drums/perc sequenced or g2?
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PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2009 4:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

bolizar wrote:
yo dasz!

impressive stuff !! even more so for jam work, hats off !!

drums/perc sequenced or g2?



thanks!

the drums are g2 (bd 909 emulation) and blofeld (hihat, although the g2 has good hi hats too, and snares, if you take the time to emulate them right, as the drum synth module is not that great IMHO, but the perosc is!) ... all sequences are 90% mostly in the g2 as well aside from a bd and hat pattern filler that is in an rs7000 sequencer ... and the g2 sequences which trigger x0xb0x and blofeld as well are tweaked live

hope you get your g2 soon.
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