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PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2006 5:18 am    Post subject: Many Worlds is the only explanation, eh?
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Quantum computer solves problem without running.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2006 5:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

My head hurts. How do I make a quantum patch with my NM-1?

I probably already did, didn´t I?


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2006 12:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

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Here's Schrödinger's (theoretical) experiment: We place a living cat into a steel chamber, along with a device containing a vial of hydrocyanic acid. There is, in the chamber, a very small amount of a radioactive substance. If even a single atom of the substance decays during the test period, a relay mechanism will trip a hammer, which will, in turn, break the vial and kill the cat. The observer cannot know whether or not an atom of the substance has decayed, and consequently, cannot know whether the vial has been broken, the hydrocyanic acid released, and the cat killed. Since we cannot know, the cat is both dead and alive according to quantum law, in a superposition of states.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2006 1:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Ray Kurzweil explains quantum computing in his book, The Age of Spritual Machines. Worth the read. We have mentioned Ray before. Same guy that started the Kurzweil synthesizer company. Relatively smart fellow. Wink
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2006 3:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

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Here's Schrödinger's (theoretical) experiment: We place a living cat into a steel chamber, along with a device containing a vial of hydrocyanic acid. There is, in the chamber, a very small amount of a radioactive substance. If even a single atom of the substance decays during the test period, a relay mechanism will trip a hammer, which will, in turn, break the vial and kill the cat. The observer cannot know whether or not an atom of the substance has decayed, and consequently, cannot know whether the vial has been broken, the hydrocyanic acid released, and the cat killed. Since we cannot know, the cat is both dead and alive according to quantum law, in a superposition of states.

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Personally I find the many words interpretation of QM substantially less shocking..

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2006 3:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I dunno. Is "substantially less shocking" much of a point anyway? Shocked
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I dunno. Is "substantially less shocking" much of a point anyway? Shocked


Well, it's comforting to think that every time I buy a lottery ticket there is some world in which I win. Very Happy

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2006 3:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

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Who am "I"?

I think it's already quite hard to answer that question without quantum mechanics. Isn't it Question

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Who am "I"?

I think it's already quite hard to answer that question without quantum mechanics. Isn't it Question


Do you really find your I less confounded to think that you could be both dead and alive at the same time? shakng2


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I mean I think we are well beyond the point where it is possible to believe that this simplistically electromagnetic view of the world that our mind perceives as immediate existence maps in its ultimate reality to anything like the comfortably comprehensible Newtonian model of the 19th century. The true nature of existence is going to be weird whatever it is and it is hard for me to imagine that a grasp of that weird truth would not have some significant consequence for the I. surprise

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 25, 2006 8:40 am    Post subject: Re: Many Worlds is the only explanation, eh?
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Quantum computer solves problem without running.



After reading that article, I got this nagging feeling that there are some danish filmmakers who have been using quantum computing when making porn... well.. faking it.. anyway.. but still..

Whatever.. ignore this one. Shocked

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quantum porn is the new frontier Shocked
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 25, 2006 11:18 am    Post subject: Re: Many Worlds is the only explanation, eh?
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Quantum computer solves problem without running.



After reading that article, I got this nagging feeling that there are some danish filmmakers who have been using quantum computing when making porn... well.. faking it.. anyway.. but still..

Whatever.. ignore this one. Shocked


Gees I'm soooooo confused geek

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 25, 2006 1:09 pm    Post subject: Re: Many Worlds is the only explanation, eh?
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Quantum computer solves problem without running.

while meandering on that web site I ran into this page:
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I love Escher Very Happy

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Well, it's comforting to think that every time I buy a lottery ticket there is some world in which I win.

...that is kind of comforting, that is, until you realize there is also a world in which you are killed by an axe murderer just before you buy the winning ticket (well, perhaps that didn't happen until i brought it up).

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Well, it's comforting to think that every time I buy a lottery ticket there is some world in which I win.

...that is kind of comforting, that is, until you realize there is also a world in which you are killed by an axe murderer just before you buy the winning ticket (well, perhaps that didn't happen until i brought it up).

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Well, you were going to mention it anyway and that means it has already happened. Shocked

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Well, you were going to mention it anyway and that means it has already happened.

...hmmmmm, does this lend credence to "positive visualization"? perhaps if (trans-dimentionally) you are the kind of person that thinks good things will happen to you.....perhaps you don't influence your _own_ existence, but your positve thoughts affect you in other worlds...a tendancy to have a positive outlook would create more universes in which good things happen to you (but unless you are 100% positive all the time in all universes, you still have an infinite number of negative universes being created...no?).

ok, my head hurts too. gotta reread "number of the beast" by heinlin.

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Well, you were going to mention it anyway and that means it has already happened.

...hmmmmm, does this lend credence to "positive visualization"? perhaps if (trans-dimentionally) you are the kind of person that thinks good things will happen to you.....perhaps you don't influence your _own_ existence, but your positve thoughts affect you in other worlds...a tendancy to have a positive outlook would create more universes in which good things happen to you (but unless you are 100% positive all the time in all universes, you still have an infinite number of negative universes being created...no?).

ok, my head hurts too. gotta reread "number of the beast" by heinlin.

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Sorry you have no control. Makes no difference if you mention it or think of it or not.

And there a many worlds in which the day after receiving my payout I will learn that I have some hideous painful disease from which I will die before I can even begin to enjoy my winnings. If it’s a scenario that is possible in this world it can and will happen. But if along this world line I don’t buy a lottery ticket the number of worlds in which I win is drastically reduced. Though along some world lines I will simply find a winning ticket that you have lost. Razz

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Arf arf you kill joy Wink

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Well, I believe all this because I have actually crossed from one world line into another. Maybe twice.

I had a winter coat, one of those puffy parka type things - pretty expensive. I wore it almost every day in the winter. Then one day I put it on and I notice the the zipper thingie the you slide up and down had been smashed. It was made of cheap pot metal. Well, when I hung the coat in the closet the night before that zipper was in perfect condition. It didn't occur to me that I had jumped into another universe. Instead I thought the maybe I accidentally busted it but didn't notice. Just to be sure, I blamed my wife and she claimed to be innocent.

Ok, whatever happened I wore that coat with a busted zipper for several weeks before buying another coat. I left the busted zipper coat in the closet.

About a month later, I stupidly left my new coat in a restaurant in NYC. I felt like a jerk for doing it, but I've done stupider things. The next morning, out of desperation, I got out the old coat and guess what - the zipper wasn't broken. It was not a new one either. It was exactly like it was before it was broken. Shocked

My wife and children all swear they didn't get the zipper fixed.

If this is not proof that you can move across universe boundaries, I don't know what is. You don't need no stinkin quantum computer to do first class science. Idea

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... You don't need no stinkin quantum computer to do first class science. Idea


Apparently not you just need a quantum mosc Shocked

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If this is not proof that you can move across universe boundaries, I don't know what is. You don't need no stinkin quantum computer to do first class science. Idea

oh man, If there is anything like a quantum pulitzer prize you won it Very Happy

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 26, 2006 12:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

How about a quantum pullet prize
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Well, I believe this stuff also because you can actually apply quantum physics to semiconductor design. You use this theory to figure out the Vbe and Betas of transistors and all that sorta thing, It's not just abstract philosophy.

But there is a real spiritual side to it as well, if you care to look at it that way. I mean, if you both win and loose the lottery, are both dead and alive, etc, then the logical conclusion is that even though we are only conscious of one (or in my case 2 or 3) world lines there are an infinite number of them. So we are all one in this, just that we don't experience the oneness, just the separateness.

So, "treat thy neighbor as thyself" really means "thy neighbor is thyself". There are many more implications of quantum theory in the spiritual area, but that's enough for now. Time for bed.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 12:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

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Like I said: there is another way…

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PARALLEL UNIVERSE DISCOVERED
. . . Where Bill Clinton Is A Celibate Priest!
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We watched, astounded, as Dr. Ternet carefully chose latitudes and longitudes on the neighboring Earth -- called Earth B -- and showed us shocking sights:

•Bill Clinton was a celibate priest.
• G e o r g e Bush was a college professor.
•A balding D o n a l d Trump worked as a cashier in a pet shop.
•Paris Hilton ran a soup kitchen in the Third World.
•Britney Spears was a singer.

Among some of the political and cultural differences we saw on Earth B:
•The new Star Wars movie was good.
•Marijuana was legal but coffee was not.
•Iraq was our 51st state.
•Mexico possessed weapons of mass destruction.
•Weekly World News was on every library shelf and quoted on evening news programs.


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Like I said: there is another way…


You mean join the Baptist Church and repent Question Shocked angel

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