electro-music.com   Dedicated to experimental electro-acoustic
and electronic music
 
    Front Page  |  Articles  |  Radio
 |  Media  |  Forum  |  Wiki  |  Links  |  Store
Forum with support of Syndicator RSS
 FAQFAQ   CalendarCalendar   SearchSearch   MemberlistMemberlist   UsergroupsUsergroups   LinksLinks
 RegisterRegister   ProfileProfile   Log in to check your private messagesLog in to check your private messages   Log inLog in  Chat RoomChat Room 
Live streaming at radio.electro-music.com

  host / artist show at your time

poster

Please visit the chat
 Forum index » Clavia Nord Modular » G2 Patches - Experimental
Neural resonator
Post new topic   Reply to topic Moderators: Nord Modular Editors
Page 1 of 1 [8 Posts]
View unread posts
View new posts in the last week
Mark the topic unread :: View previous topic :: View next topic
Author Message
Karel



Joined: Sep 30, 2005
Posts: 6
Location: Hilversum, Netherlands
G2 patch files: 1

PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2006 5:30 am    Post subject: Neural resonator
Subject description: organic synth
Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

The latest edition of the German Keyboard magazine had an article about a new synth from Jomox.
After reading the description Joker Nies wrote I patched a bit and here it is.

Please enhance.

Karel.


neural resonator.pch2
 Description:
It resonates

Download
 Filename:  neural resonator.pch2
 Filesize:  4.06 KB
 Downloaded:  1157 Time(s)

Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Blue Hell
Site Admin


Joined: Apr 03, 2004
Posts: 22815
Location: The Netherlands, Enschede
Audio files: 231
G2 patch files: 319

PostPosted: Sat Feb 25, 2006 10:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

welcome Karel,

I thought this to be an interesting patch to look into this weekend .. unfortunately (with the server problems) it will have to wait a bit longer.

_________________
Jan
also .. please don't march .. we are on a bridge right now.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
Blue Hell
Site Admin


Joined: Apr 03, 2004
Posts: 22815
Location: The Netherlands, Enschede
Audio files: 231
G2 patch files: 319

PostPosted: Sat Feb 25, 2006 12:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Karel, could you maybe write a little about this patch for us who didn't read the article in the keyboards magazine ?

Or maybe Joker, when he is lurking :-)

The patch seems to be able to produce the occasional interesting bleeps, but then its all gone again. It would help to have an idea about what the model is behind this.

_________________
Jan
also .. please don't march .. we are on a bridge right now.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
General Elektrick



Joined: Apr 06, 2004
Posts: 254
Location: Berlin/Germany
Audio files: 1
G2 patch files: 15

PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 11:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Hi,

I think Karel is refering to this synth : http://www.jomox.de/
I have no access to the keyboard article Sad
But I would like to hear the beast he he.

_________________
Best,
General Elektrick

"If something is boring after two minutes, try it for four. If still boring, then eight. Then sixteen. Then thirty-two. Eventually one discovers that it is not boring at all." --John Cage.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website
Blue Hell
Site Admin


Joined: Apr 03, 2004
Posts: 22815
Location: The Netherlands, Enschede
Audio files: 231
G2 patch files: 319

PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 11:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Ah right, of course, I remember that blue thingy, saw it last year in Frankfurt at the Messe (it was next to the Clavia boot). It made nice sounds, I didn't understand a thing of the user interface, but that hardly mattered I believe :D
_________________
Jan
also .. please don't march .. we are on a bridge right now.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
Blue Hell
Site Admin


Joined: Apr 03, 2004
Posts: 22815
Location: The Netherlands, Enschede
Audio files: 231
G2 patch files: 319

PostPosted: Wed Mar 01, 2006 2:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I got an email from Karel in which he asked me to post this:
Karel wrote:
The Neural resonator, or Resonator Neuronium as it is called by Jürgen Michaelis, it?s inventor, is build from six filters in a network that allows resonating feedback. In this way you get a multiple chaotic system that is self organising. Sound is synthesized by resonating and gets it?s character by coincidence like the way mutations are made in evolution.

This was the reason why Michaelis did not want to make the synth in a program. He did not want to have linear digital systems produce sounds with principally non-linear character. But this description reminded me of Palle?s mutator where digital computing and biological development meet.

Anyway, the sound is created by resonating filters and each filtered has an output that is coupled to a sequencer that shapes the pitch and an envelop generator that controls it?s volume. Because of the network connections between the filters, a circulation of the signals is established that can produce unique sounds that will be perceived as organic because it is chaos driven.

Next to the filter web there is another network that controls the filter cut off frequencies. By this every filter?s cut off is modulated by the output of the other filter, including it?s own. I realize this is not in my patch, I only understand it now from the article.

The special thing is that this synth is made of six identical parts that create sound because they are in a network. I?ll try to describe the nodes as they are in the picture:

Every node is a filter with its? output connected to all the other nodes, including it?s own. Now I understand the output is also connected to the cut of frequency modulation input. On it?s way out the sound passes a sequencer and an ADSR envelope generator modelling a VCA. In my patch I could not think of how the sequencer could modulate the output signal, so I did send the sequencer signal to the cut of frequency modulation input of the filters.

Every filter can also receive an external signal in the original design.

It also might be that the sequencer modulates an oscillator and in this way sends a sound signal into the filter. But I can not understand that from the article. I was amazed by the different sounds the mutator could get out of the patch.

I attached the sound file that came with the magazine for further enlightenment.



Hope this helps,



Karel.

because he himself was not able to post here for some (technical) reason.

Thank you Karel.

_________________
Jan
also .. please don't march .. we are on a bridge right now.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
Blue Hell
Site Admin


Joined: Apr 03, 2004
Posts: 22815
Location: The Netherlands, Enschede
Audio files: 231
G2 patch files: 319

PostPosted: Wed Mar 01, 2006 2:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

And there is this : http://www.jayemsonic.de/resoneuroEngl.html
_________________
Jan
also .. please don't march .. we are on a bridge right now.

Last edited by Blue Hell on Wed Mar 01, 2006 5:13 pm; edited 1 time in total
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
Blue Hell
Site Admin


Joined: Apr 03, 2004
Posts: 22815
Location: The Netherlands, Enschede
Audio files: 231
G2 patch files: 319

PostPosted: Wed Mar 01, 2006 5:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Which made me make ...


(it's lacking the micro processor per node)


neur-001.pch2
 Description:
neural filter idea

Download
 Filename:  neur-001.pch2
 Filesize:  6.07 KB
 Downloaded:  1834 Time(s)


_________________
Jan
also .. please don't march .. we are on a bridge right now.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic Moderators: Nord Modular Editors
Page 1 of 1 [8 Posts]
View unread posts
View new posts in the last week
Mark the topic unread :: View previous topic :: View next topic
 Forum index » Clavia Nord Modular » G2 Patches - Experimental
Jump to:  

You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You can download files in this forum
e-m mkii

Please support our site. If you click through and buy from
our affiliate partners, we earn a small commission.


Forum with support of Syndicator RSS
Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2005 phpBB Group
Copyright © 2003 through 2009 by electro-music.com - Conditions Of Use