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| mosc wrote: | | bachus wrote: | | that led me to play with the octahoosits scale which is eat up with tritones and which informs the composition I'm working on now. |
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Ignoring enharmonics there are two distinct pitch class sets
And two modes of each set depending on whether the first interval is a whole step or a half step. The trick in not to let it get monotonous. I'm perfectly happy to cheat to do this and use mixed sets and modes and non-octaphonic scales--what ever works Purism is, well, for da pure. 
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| bachus wrote: |
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sometimes this scale is called 0101 (0=one semitone, 1=one tone) it's a symmetric scale so the 0101 scale starting on C is the same as the ones starting on Eb, Gb and A. so basically there are only 3 such scales on a 12 tone tuning system like 12tET. it is usually used on dominant chords so the C 0101 would be used on a C7b9 chord, for example. the other octophonic scale is the 1010 type, usually used on diminished chords.
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| seraph wrote: |
sometimes this scale is called 0101 |
I think it was John Mehegan to call the octophonic scale this way
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| seraph wrote: | | so basically there are only 3 such scales on a 12 tone |
You are right and I am wrong there are three such pitch class sets. I want to send my brain in for refurbishing.
BTW it's also referred to as octatonic and I would recommend Olivier Messiaen as source examples. ( especially for those who don't like Jazz) I think (but could be wrong) that his works represent the first and most important investigations of these scales. Obviously I am not to be trusted and would be glad for other references and sources.
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Wow, I just saw that during my absence this thread grew and grew and grew... Seems inspiration is such an important topic that many ppl have their theories and ideas - cool!
I will read through your ppls posts, but that will take a little while ^^....
But let me answer one posting that caught my eye right away:
| softfreak wrote: | | no sex for a month might help with inspiration.... |
Let me see, how do I answer this without using words like "U bastard" or "asshole"... See, it's like this: I'm 36 1/2 years old, and in that time I had a girlfriend (not the same all the time) for about 2 years. I had no sex for the last... 96 months (give or take a few). This didn't help at ALL. Thanks for pouring some salt into my open wounds...
PS: I saw that the mailadress I have here still was from my very old domain... I changed it to my actualm one so you can reach me again. 
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RecklessGint
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I'm pretty much right there with you Doni, though I wouldn't say it's absolutely the only way.
For example, after my very first relationship ended, before I ever did drugs, I wrote a good half dozen awesome pieces of music in the following months.
As far as my drugs of choice go...
Mary Jane for all-purpose musical creation, most notably for new ideas, as well as steadfast, apprehension-free application.
Alcohol for passionate musical performance (at least for me, I play piano, and boy does it help me put genuine feeling into the music).
DXM for new ideas, sometimes extraordinary ones, though significantly more physically/mentally impairing than herb. (Example given: A composition of mine called "Beach" would not exist were it not for this drug. available for listen here
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it seems to me that the more depressing a hole i am in, the better music i write.
by better, i mean vocal based "pop" music that people seem to want to part money with to obtain.
i wonder if radiohead sounded like crowded house until thom yorke had his heart broken...
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Nice music. I spent a summer in Santa Barbara once.
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ohh yea, you know what, i missed something...
SMOKE and SUFFERING make songs...
yea my entire first album is about my girl leaving me... funny thing is i could take my own advice when she came crawling back.... shes a hot latina... when it do it, its like my porno fantasy come true... im a weak weak man.... booo hooo... now im sad... why did you bring that up? you wanted to make me cry right? is that how it is here? you make new members want to cry? well I never...
case in point! when shit happens, song happens! Fools out there leading their perfect emotionless lives will NEVER write good songs. Sorry! Get out there and let something happen
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When it works best for me, it feels not so much like being inspired, as finding something that's been lying there waiting for me to find it, and up to that point I hadn't found it. Why? Sometimes from being too wrapped up in habit energy, although I don't think this is a root cause. Shifting attention out of habitual ruts by changing patterns of brain activity, e.g., meditation or running through the woods to induce endorphins and hence a higher ratio of alpha / beta brainwave activity, and in general redistribution of cortical activity, helps sometimes, but I think this is just a special case of inducing oneself to notice things that have been there all along, in this case by changing synaptic perspective. And one of the dangers, like any formula, is that it becomes a new habit that you then have to get out of to get fresh perspective. (Running through the woods also increases the danger of breaking bones. Just say no.)
A new technical exercise often helps. More than once I've decided to explore a new scale or sequence of intervals or chords or whatever, or maybe fingering techniques or changing some mechanical aspect of an instrument. Sometimes nothing special happens, but sometimes it's suddenly, "Oh, wow, I never noticed *that* before!" *That*, whatever it is, becomes a generator for some aspect of a composition. Also, focusing on technical exercises can let the subconscious do its work of noticing other things without the conscious attention getting in the road.
There's a book from a few decades ago called *Zen Mind, Beginner's Mind*, which is about cultivating the perspective of the Beginner's Mind, the kind of attention you pay to something when you first resonate with it. It's a contradiction in terms to try to get in the habit of occupying Beginner's Mind, because Beginner's Mind is the antithesis of habit. So how does one cultivate Beginner's Mind? Ah, that is a very good question, Grasshopper! While you prepare to answer it, may I suggest to take out your instrument and play?
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inspiration?.... thats a very good question.
a few things to consider....
1. a sudden gusting of wind with subsequent rolling in of a thunderstorm
2. a thick sequencing of machine noises as calculating as they are
3. 32 step acid basslines with a slow flowing cutoff & fast rising reso
4. tribal wardrums/ethnic instruments
5. soundscapes with heavily convolved low pitched lead synth samples
6. 8 bit type sounds arpeggiated at say .... 128 - 136 bpm
hopefully my post could serve as a small bit of help. |
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the top 40.
i often find that listening to commercial radio is the most inspiring as i always turn it off with a conviction not to write something that sounds like that...
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top 40 ?
i dont listen to commercial radio,.. i have however tuned in to many DJ mixes online |
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| Nth L0gik wrote: | | i have however tuned in to many DJ mixes online |
Yeah, I wouldn't want to sound like that either
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| you only need to feel. try putting what you feel in one track and the music will be flow. |
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| hmm.... i wonder what stanley pain & blue hell were trying to say.... well i guess i'll never know but anyways kruge good luck and hopefully you'll be able to crank out some new music soon ... |
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| Nth L0gik wrote: | | hmm.... i wonder what stanley pain & blue hell were trying to say.... |
I can only speak for myself, but some things I listen to tell me to not go into that "some" direction. This is a sort of a negative inspiration maybe but it helps me to define what I want nevertheless. I don't mean to implicate that certain musics are more or less valuable than others, that'd be too much for humans to decide upon, but just that listening sends me in directions, helps me decide what I want and what I don't want. In that sense some music inspires me by making me to want to do something different. I guess It could inspire others to try to make something better, although better and different can be very close in their meanings.
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| solstizze wrote: | | you only need to feel. try putting what you feel in one track and the music will be flow. |
Interesting... the way I feel about it is almost exactly the opposite. I find that if I "just feel" when I compose, then I'm not as happy with the result. But, if I focus on the nuts and bolts of the composition, the music always ends up communicating something in a way that feels very direct to me, or unfiltered.
If I try to communicate something that I already know I'm feeling, then the music can really communicate only that. But if I immerse myself in the notes or the code and trust the process, get my conscious mind or ego out of the way, the music communicates -- I recognize something authentic of myself in it -- but often it's something I didn't expect. So I learn new things about myself, my mental and spiritual state, from my own music.
One of my best sources of inspiration is the social setting for the music, especially if that setting is atypical. To me, music needs to be a relationship, and that relationship happens in a certain place, or set of places. Thinking about that takes my mind to sounds that would be appropriate (or deliberately inappropriate) for that space.
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with regards to the running thru the woods idea.
After i have done an intense session of weight training and the following nausea and dizzyness, comes wave after wave of pure energy (endorohins I assume but I am no bio-chemist, so haven't a clue really), if I am in front of my kit at the time, instant track, not saying they are necessarily any good but it certainly gets me motivated.
The other thing that works for me more than anything i can think of is a really good night out, inevitably I will notice at some point how good the night is and think,"Ahh, store this emotion/feeling/mindset" and pour it into a track on the following day. I think if you can capture an emotion or mindset at a given point and store it, like taking a photo in your head, and then apply that to your music at a later date that usually works really well.
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Has anyone touched upon collaboration in this topic? After noodling in my bedroom for a while I had the opportunity to tag along with a band and jam around an hour every tuesday for a year or two. Although we were all pretty bad and everything sounded horrible, musically I don't know if I'd have such fun afterwards (never done the band thing again), and I got a few ideas about stuff that I wouldn't have otherwise.
There may be many obstacles before you find people that you feel like working with, and I'm sure everyone has a different feeling about this, but it could be worth a try. In the friction and communication (or its failure) between artists new ideas and sounds may appear.
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| dewdrop_world wrote: | | if I immerse myself in the notes or the code and trust the process, get my conscious mind or ego out of the way, the music communicates |
James, what you are saying works for me, also.
When performing classical music, one must make one's own ego subordinate to the composer's intentions. One's ego can stand in the way of musical communication. By the same token, one's ego can stand in the way of one's own compositions, too.
One strategy I have adopted is that, when I am working on a something and hit a block, I simply write another passage that in some way uses material from the work. I figure that I can always come back later to integrate/merge/transition between the various passages.
My process tends to be somewhat linear -- writing from start to finish. I am trying a non-linear approach now to see if my output will increase.
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| Nth L0gik wrote: | | hmm.... i wonder what stanley pain & blue hell were trying to say.... well i guess i'll never know but anyways kruge good luck and hopefully you'll be able to crank out some new music soon ... |
i think Blue Hell hit the nail on the head. i'm unashamedly writing pop music, or at least what i think pop music should sound like. when i listen to the charts i'm rarely able to listen to a whole song before i turn it off and want to do better. sometimes i do, sometimes i don't...
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| Stanley Pain wrote: | | i'm unashamedly writing pop music, or at least what i think pop music should sound like. when i listen to the charts i'm rarely able to listen to a whole song before i turn it off and want to do better. sometimes i do, sometimes i don't... |
I am curious as to why. I mean as to why pop. Is it mostly pop that turns your crank? Also I'd like to ask if dance an element of pop's attraction?
Understand I know very little about pop,l have had very little exposure to it. And thats' because I don't like it in the sense that it simply won't turn my crank--my emotional window into music is very tiny.
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| bachus wrote: | | Stanley Pain wrote: | | i'm unashamedly writing pop music, or at least what i think pop music should sound like. when i listen to the charts i'm rarely able to listen to a whole song before i turn it off and want to do better. sometimes i do, sometimes i don't... |
I am curious as to why. I mean as to why pop. Is it mostly pop that turns your crank? Also I'd like to ask if dance an element of pop's attraction?
Understand I know very little about pop,l have had very little exposure to it. And thats' because I don't like it in the sense that it simply won't turn my crank--my emotional window into music is very tiny. |
i'm using the term "pop" as in "popular". i don't think there's a particular musical element that in itself is inherently "popular" and to be honest, i think there's more of an art to constructing something popular than there is in constructing something that is layered or developed enough to be considered "intellectual".
the latter is reliant on technique and, in order for it to work successfully on it's own, an educated audience. maybe i am a little cynical after my time in education, but i believe it is far easier for the intellectual to be stimulated by popular music than it is for the musically illiterate to be stimulated by the cerebral.
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