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I got the score:
Economic Left/Right: -7.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.56
But test yourself...
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| Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2004 4:36 am Post subject:
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Economic Left/Right: -1.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.54
Am I a nice guy 
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| Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2004 4:40 am Post subject:
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Sure you are! Didn´t you see the nice guy index they have there?
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| Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2004 4:44 am Post subject:
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| Quote: | | If we recognise that this is essentially an economic line it's fine, as far as it goes. We can show, for example, Stalin, Mao Tse Tung and Pol Pot, with their commitment to a totally controlled economy, on the hard left. Socialists like Mahatma Gandhi and Robert Mugabe would occupy a less extreme leftist position. Margaret Thatcher would be well over to the right, but further right still would be someone like that ultimate free marketeer, General Pinochet. |
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| Quote: | Both an economic dimension and a social dimension are important factors for a proper political analysis. By adding the social dimension you can show that Stalin was an authoritarian leftist (ie the state is more important than the individual) and that Gandhi, believing in the supreme value of each individual, is a liberal leftist. You can also put Pinochet, who was prepared to sanction mass killing for the sake of the free market, on the far right as well as in a hardcore authoritarian position. On the non-socialist side you can distinguish someone like Milton Friedman, who is anti-state for fiscal rather than social reasons, from Hitler, who wanted to make the state stronger, even if he wiped out half of humanity in the process.
The chart also makes clear that, despite popular perceptions, the opposite of fascism is not communism but anarchism (ie liberal socialism), and that the opposite of communism ( i.e. an entirely state-planned economy) is neo-liberalism (i.e. extreme deregulated economy) |
| Quote: | The usual understanding of anarchism as a left wing ideology does not take into account the neo-liberal "anarchism" championed by the likes of Ayn Rand, Milton Friedman and America's Libertarian Party, which couples law of the jungle right-wing economics with liberal positions on most social issues. Often their libertarian impulses stop short of opposition to strong law and order positions, and are more economic in substance (ie no taxes) so they are not as extremely libertarian as they are extremely right wing. On the other hand, the classical libertarian collectivism of anarcho-syndicalism ( libertarian socialism) belongs in the bottom left hand corner.
In our home page we demolished the myth that authoritarism is necessarily "right wing", with the examples of Robert Mugabe, Pol Pot and Stalin. Similarly Hitler, on an economic scale, was not an extreme right-winger. His economic policies were broadly Keynesian, and to the left of some of today's Labour parties. If you could get Hitler and Stalin to sit down together and avoid economics, the two diehard authoritarians would find plenty of common ground.
Following is where you stand on our political compass. Thanks for visiting us and be sure to tell family and friends, It should spark off some lively dialogue, and you may discover that you didn't know them as well as you thought you did. |
I ended up down there in the anachist syndicalist territory. Scary..
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It will be interesting to see what others members might score in this one. One thing which is a problem with tests like these is the fact that morality is not properly tested.. and you moral code or whatever will always adjust what you really mean about these matters. In effect, what is tested here are the top level opinions, not the material you will use when really making decisions about the same. Anyway, the test and the rest of the material at this site is interesting. Interesting things are cool things.
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| Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2004 6:49 am Post subject:
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Gee...Stein, you are really spending a lot of quality time on this bull***t
better get back on the elevator with Last 
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| Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2004 7:13 am Post subject:
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Here's my score:
Economic Left/Right: -6.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.69 |
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| Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2004 7:32 am Post subject:
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Here's my score:
Economic Left/Right: -2,50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.82
The use of the comma and the period is intentional. Trying to relate to both parts of our community.  |
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| Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2004 8:53 am Post subject:
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| egw wrote: | Here's my score:
Economic Left/Right: -6.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.69 |
Greg is down there in anarchist country with me. Great to have some company. THX Greg.
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| Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2004 8:56 am Post subject:
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| seraph wrote: | Gee...Stein, you are really spending a lot of quality time on this bull***t
better get back on the elevator with Last |
Quality bull is excellent bull!
Anyway, I found it interesting to actualy see how I scored in this one. makes you think about.. things..
-And the rest of that site is pretty interesting too.
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| HeHe. I'm in boring company with Ghandi and the Dhali Lama. |
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...but that is excellent company...
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| Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2004 10:48 am Post subject:
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Am I wrong or we all are on the same quadrant
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All the numbers aren´t in yet
but you might be right!
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As a linguistic enthusiast, let me first say that I have alot of trouble with the wording of a great many of the questions there, in relation to the available responses. For instance:
"Abortion, when the woman's life is not threatened, should always be illegal."
That is way too simplified a representation of the spectum of opinions on this issue to be valid. Another:
"An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth."
To some, this means you take my eye, and by God I'll take yours! To others, it means let the punishment fit the crime, not necessarily manditory reprisals of equal scale.
"A significant advantage of a one-party state is that it avoids all the arguments that delay progress in a democratic political system."
That's like saying that a signifigant advantage of Pol Pot's rule is that he made more room for his people to move around without bumping into other people. Technically accurate perhaps, but unanswerable in a way that sits well with my soul. Oh, and my favorite:
"No one can feel naturally homosexual."
How am I supposed to know one way or the other? If you identify that you don't and can't know, and that all of the answers are, therefore, equally wrong (in context), how should one answer?
So, that being said as a mild disclaimer...
Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -7.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.72
Not bad for a registered conservative Republican, I suppose. I'm more left than Mandela and Gandhi, according to this. Hmmm...
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And an afterthought...
Notice how few fall into the +X/-Y quadrant. Makes you wonder if that may be where the answer lies, and why we havent had much success in achieving it.
I'm not actually claiming that, only says that it was an interesting observation.
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| Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2004 12:52 pm Post subject:
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| Cyxeris wrote: | | Not bad for a registered conservative Republican, I suppose. |
If you really are a conservative Republican, then either you're in the wrong party, or this test is really bogus. I suspect both are true. |
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The test isnt bogus, it's just not scientific.
Of course, the manner in which I defign conservative and liberal compliment one another, not contradict. I dont know, the whole thing is a mess. I dont know what I am anymore, really. Just discouraged.
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Listen guys, the test is not that bad. It depends a bit on perspective. very few countries are split with a 2 party system. OK, there are probs in this test.. it is probably more meant as a tool for self insight than being the test which really tells you who you are.
One interesting thing in the test is that you can moderate your response by choosing the mildest form of agreement or disagreement. This does affect the score a lot.
Over here in Europe we have a more diverse political universe. This is probably why our most excellent Carlo accepted the premises many of the questions were based on.
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I can appreciate that. It's understood that I am deliberate in over-reading into things. I just prefer to be conscious of not letting something slip by me.
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Economic Left/Right: -8.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.49
But then again it's Friday night.
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I took the test again, I know, I am wasting quality time but then again is saturday afternoon 
Economic Left/Right: 0.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.74
today I am less left and more libertarian
(I feel better now )
I am one of the few who fall into the +X/-Y quadrant.
oh my goodness, I feel awkward already 
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| Quote: | I am one of the few who fall into the +X/-Y quadrant.
oh my goodness, I feel awkward already |
Cyx is there a cure for this disease
btw You did not take the test, you subversive marzipan  
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| seraph wrote: |
Cyx is there a cure for this disease
btw You did not take the test, you subversive marzipan |
Carlo, he did take it. Read the previous posts more carefully. Here's his score:
| Cyxeris wrote: | Economic Left/Right: -7.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.72 |
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