electro-music.com   Dedicated to experimental electro-acoustic
and electronic music
 
    Front Page  |  Articles  |  Radio
 |  Media  |  Forum  |  Wiki  |  Links  |  Store
Forum with support of Syndicator RSS
 FAQFAQ   CalendarCalendar   SearchSearch   MemberlistMemberlist   UsergroupsUsergroups   LinksLinks
 RegisterRegister   ProfileProfile   Log in to check your private messagesLog in to check your private messages   Log inLog in  Chat RoomChat Room 
Live streaming at radio.electro-music.com

  host / artist show at your time
  EdisonRex Edison's Electronic Review
Please visit the chat
 Forum index » Clavia Nord Modular » Nord Modular G2 Discussion
G2X and moogerfooger Low Pass Filter
Post new topic   Reply to topic Moderators: Nord Modular Editors
Page 6 of 7 [166 Posts]
View unread posts
View new posts in the last week
Mark the topic unread :: View previous topic :: View next topic
Goto page: Previous 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 Next
Author Message
varice



Joined: Dec 29, 2004
Posts: 722
Location: Northeastern shore of Toledo Bend
Audio files: 22
G2 patch files: 49

PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 1:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

dorremifasol wrote:
Lately I've been thinking of buying a Moog Slim Phatty. It should work very well with the G2, and I suppose it can also be used only as a filter like in your mod.


varice wrote:
Yes, the Phatty has external inputs for audio and CV, so it could be used this way. You would have the option of mixing the Phatty’s sound sources with the G2’s before the filter, and the option to use the G2 for CV control (with a G2 DC output modification, of course) or just use the Phatty’s EG and modulation for the filter. Then the audio output of the Phatty could be connected to a G2 input for more processing/FX treatment. It should work like a charm!...


dorremifasol wrote:
Finally I got a Slim Phatty (my first Moog!) and I must say that I'm really satisfied with the G2 - SP combo and the way how they can interact with each other. Wonderful sound and possibilities!...


Hey Albert – Congratulations for scoring a Moog Slim Phatty to use with your G2! Have you tried patching G2 sound sources to the Phatty audio inputs and the Phatty output back into a G2 input for processing/FX treatment?

Attached to this post is one of my recent patch templates that I have been using with my G2X/moogerfooger filter monster that you may like to try with your G2 and SP. So basically, the raw G2 sound output is patched to the G2 audio output 3 which you would connect to the SP audio input. Then connect the SP audio output to the G2 audio input 3 (the G2 audio outputs 1 and 2 are used for the main stereo output). In this case, you have the option of using the SP or the G2 for the final VCA. The quickest results may be to use my G2 amplitude EG settings and set the SP volume EG to the fastest attack, the max sustain level, and the longest release parameter settings. This patch is based on modifications of the “mono monster VM” patch that I posted earlier along with some detailed patch information over here:

http://electro-music.com/forum/topic-9258.html

But, this patch posted here in this topic has a moogerfooger filter cutoff DC CV output patched to the G2 audio output 4 to be used with my modified G2X, so be sure to disconnect or fade out this audio output connected to any audio mixers. Since you have not modified your G2 for DC CV output, you would need to use the SP filter cutoff EG and modulation instead with this patch. I suggest that you look at the G2 patch parameter settings for filter cutoff, EG, and modulation as a guide to set the SP filter and modulation parameters and that you set the SP filter resonance to about 60%. And be sure to check out all of the patch variations…


mm 3 Osc mf.pch2
 Description:

Download
 Filename:  mm 3 Osc mf.pch2
 Filesize:  8.03 KB
 Downloaded:  358 Time(s)


_________________
varice
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
dorremifasol



Joined: Sep 28, 2006
Posts: 775
Location: Barcelona, Spain
Audio files: 7
G2 patch files: 47

PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 2:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Thank you Varice! I'll try the patch tonight, at home.

Yes I connected the G2 and the Phatty one with each other, so I can send audio to the Phatty (out 3) and get it back to the G2 again (in 3). The Phatty has 2 audio outputs (main and headphones), so I can have one output always connected to the G2, and the other to the soundcard.

The Phatty also has a MIDI merge function, so I can connect the G2 directly to it, and then to the computer without using an additional MIDI interface (thumbs up for this feature!!). It also has an USB MIDI port, but this way I can use both synths without having to turn on the computer.

But to me the most exciting thing is that since all the parameters in the Phatty can be edited via CC#, I can expand its capabilities using modules inside the G2 (envelopes, LFOs, sequencers, etc). Moreover, since the Phatty already has an LFO and 2 envelopes, I can use them when I need really fast modulations. The filter envelope can be used to modulate other things as well.

There are many important parameters in the Phatty that can't be edited from the front panel (ie. number of poles in the filter, additional modulations...), but again, since all is also changed via CC# I can create a patch in the G2 to control these parameters with the excellent G2 interface. I hope to experiment a lot this weekend ^_^

I feel very lucky. I got the Phatty from a guy who bought it, and sold it to me just the next day for 160€ less. I couldn't be happier. Smile

_________________
Cheers,
Albert
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
varice



Joined: Dec 29, 2004
Posts: 722
Location: Northeastern shore of Toledo Bend
Audio files: 22
G2 patch files: 49

PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2012 7:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Recently the topic of creating better G2 filter building block patches was raised. A picture of Baby’s G2 filter “solution” is posted there (analog Synthesizers.com modules!?):

http://electro-music.com/forum/post-357090.html&highlight=#357090

Cool

Some on the internets say that you have to post a picture of your exploits to prove that it really happened Rolling Eyes

So, here is a picture of my G2X and MF-101 moogerfooger LowPass Filter “solution”. Razz


G2X + MF-101 moogerfooger Low Pass Filter.JPG
 Description:
My G2 Filter Solution
 Filesize:  946.1 KB
 Viewed:  96 Time(s)
This image has been reduced to fit the page. Click on it to enlarge.

G2X + MF-101 moogerfooger Low Pass Filter.JPG



_________________
varice
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Blue Hell
Site Admin


Joined: Apr 03, 2004
Posts: 20570
Location: The Netherlands, Enschede
Audio files: 148
G2 patch files: 318

PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2012 8:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

varice wrote:
Some on the internets say that you have to post a picture of your exploits to prove that it really happened Rolling Eyes


Laughing

good reading Cool

nice floor too! and a bit of a mystery pic Smile

_________________
Jan
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
varice



Joined: Dec 29, 2004
Posts: 722
Location: Northeastern shore of Toledo Bend
Audio files: 22
G2 patch files: 49

PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2012 9:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Blue Hell wrote:
...nice floor too!

Thanks Jan Exclamation Yes, I think the floor is nice. And the other parts of the room aren’t too bad either Smile

Blue Hell wrote:
...and a bit of a mystery pic Smile

I’m curious – what do you find mysterious about this picture?

_________________
varice
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Blue Hell
Site Admin


Joined: Apr 03, 2004
Posts: 20570
Location: The Netherlands, Enschede
Audio files: 148
G2 patch files: 318

PostPosted: Sun Mar 25, 2012 5:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

The mystery is what is not on the picture - on the right side I mean, so how it was cut off (for it's purpose of course).
_________________
Jan
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
varice



Joined: Dec 29, 2004
Posts: 722
Location: Northeastern shore of Toledo Bend
Audio files: 22
G2 patch files: 49

PostPosted: Sun Mar 25, 2012 2:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Oh, right, the other bits in the picture!

Just above the G2X is a Roland MC-909 Sampling Groovebox loaded with the max sampling RAM and a SRX-01 Dynamic Drum Kits ROM waveform expansion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roland_MC-909

At the top of the picture is the bottom of the left loudspeaker pair, JBL 250Ti, that I use for listening to stereo music and as studio monitors. Mine are finished in Burmese teak.

http://www.audioheritage.org/html/profiles/jbl/l250.htm

_________________
varice
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
varice



Joined: Dec 29, 2004
Posts: 722
Location: Northeastern shore of Toledo Bend
Audio files: 22
G2 patch files: 49

PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2012 5:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

A picture to show a broader view of my current studio setup:


Music Studio.jpg
 Description:
My current music studio setup
 Filesize:  551.44 KB
 Viewed:  108 Time(s)
This image has been reduced to fit the page. Click on it to enlarge.

Music Studio.jpg



_________________
varice
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
iPassenger



Joined: Jan 27, 2007
Posts: 1051
Location: Sheffield, UK
Audio files: 5
G2 patch files: 78

PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 12:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Those speakers are lovely. Jealous, i also have jbls (not those babies mind) but my amp is cack and the speakers are hammered.
_________________
iP (Ross)
- http://ipassenger.bandcamp.com
- http://soundcloud.com/ipassenger
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
Blue Hell
Site Admin


Joined: Apr 03, 2004
Posts: 20570
Location: The Netherlands, Enschede
Audio files: 148
G2 patch files: 318

PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 5:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Nice!
_________________
Jan
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
dorremifasol



Joined: Sep 28, 2006
Posts: 775
Location: Barcelona, Spain
Audio files: 7
G2 patch files: 47

PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 5:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Spacious!
_________________
Cheers,
Albert
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
mosc
Site Admin


Joined: Jan 31, 2003
Posts: 17618
Location: Allentown, PA
Audio files: 125
G2 patch files: 60

PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 2:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

varice wrote:
At the top of the picture is the bottom of the left loudspeaker pair, JBL 250Ti, that I use for listening to stereo music and as studio monitors. Mine are finished in Burmese teak.


Yikes, those speakers are purr-fect for Ambiophonic Stereo and you have the setup space to move them closer together. Get the AmbiophonicDSP and if you don't think it's the greatest thing in audio, I'll refund your $10.00. (Offer applies to everyone else too, for that matter).

http://electro-music.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/114

_________________
--Howard
my music and other stuff
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website AIM Address
dorremifasol



Joined: Sep 28, 2006
Posts: 775
Location: Barcelona, Spain
Audio files: 7
G2 patch files: 47

PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 3:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Excuse the off topic, but does the plugin work with headphones?
_________________
Cheers,
Albert
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
mosc
Site Admin


Joined: Jan 31, 2003
Posts: 17618
Location: Allentown, PA
Audio files: 125
G2 patch files: 60

PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2012 11:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

The AmbiophonicDSP is meant for use with two speakers spaced close together in front of the listener. It's not a good idea to use headphones with it, but we are working on something for headphones to be released later.
_________________
--Howard
my music and other stuff
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website AIM Address
dorremifasol



Joined: Sep 28, 2006
Posts: 775
Location: Barcelona, Spain
Audio files: 7
G2 patch files: 47

PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2012 11:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Thanks for the info. Unfortunately I use headphones almost exclusively since I'm only at home at night, and also I live in a small flat. Confused
_________________
Cheers,
Albert
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
varice



Joined: Dec 29, 2004
Posts: 722
Location: Northeastern shore of Toledo Bend
Audio files: 22
G2 patch files: 49

PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2012 5:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

mosc wrote:
varice wrote:
At the top of the picture is the bottom of the left loudspeaker pair, JBL 250Ti, that I use for listening to stereo music and as studio monitors. Mine are finished in Burmese teak.


Yikes, those speakers are purr-fect for Ambiophonic Stereo and you have the setup space to move them closer together. Get the AmbiophonicDSP and if you don't think it's the greatest thing in audio, I'll refund your $10.00. (Offer applies to everyone else too, for that matter).

http://electro-music.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/114

I tried your G2 version of the Ambiophonic encoder not long after you posted it, but with a smaller set of speakers (as each 250Ti speaker weighs more than 100 lbs which doesn’t allow for easy movement for sonic experiments). The encoded sound was “phasey” (comb filtered) and the frequency spectrum was colored too much. I tried tweaking the G2 parameters and different speaker separation angles, but I never could get a result that sounded better to me than normal stereo. Maybe after listening to HiFi stereo for the last 40 years and these excellent 250Ti speakers for the last 26, I have grown accustomed to the interaural crosstalk and don’t perceive it as a significant problem.

Does the VST work significantly better than your G2 version?

_________________
varice
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
varice



Joined: Dec 29, 2004
Posts: 722
Location: Northeastern shore of Toledo Bend
Audio files: 22
G2 patch files: 49

PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2012 7:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

dorremifasol wrote:
Spacious!

Hey Albert,

Yes, it is nice to have more studio space, although my room is not huge, only about 15 x 23ft, or 5 x 7.67m. But, this is still larger than the small studio rooms in all the apartments where I lived before I retired. And my 250Ti speakers sound much better in a larger space, where I can also crank up the volume without worrying about disturbing my neighbors Razz .

_________________
varice
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
varice



Joined: Dec 29, 2004
Posts: 722
Location: Northeastern shore of Toledo Bend
Audio files: 22
G2 patch files: 49

PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2012 8:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

mosc wrote:
varice wrote:
At the top of the picture is the bottom of the left loudspeaker pair, JBL 250Ti, that I use for listening to stereo music and as studio monitors. Mine are finished in Burmese teak.


Yikes, those speakers are purr-fect for Ambiophonic Stereo and you have the setup space to move them closer together. Get the AmbiophonicDSP and if you don't think it's the greatest thing in audio, I'll refund your $10.00. (Offer applies to everyone else too, for that matter).

http://electro-music.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/114


dorremifasol wrote:
Excuse the off topic, but does the plugin work with headphones?


mosc wrote:
The AmbiophonicDSP is meant for use with two speakers spaced close together in front of the listener. It's not a good idea to use headphones with it, but we are working on something for headphones to be released later.


dorremifasol wrote:
…Unfortunately I use headphones almost exclusively since I'm only at home at night, and also I live in a small flat. Confused


Albert, I hear you brother…

Stereo headphone listening has a problem that is the opposite of normal stereo speaker listening: a total lack of natural interaural(sp?) crosstalk by sounds that are panned hard left or right. While the Ambiophonic encoder attempts to eliminate crosstalk for stereo speaker playback, stereo headphone playback could be enhanced by adding a more natural crosstalk. Years ago in my apartment dwelling days, I patched a headphone enhancement for my G1 micro modular that I think sounded very good. But, trying to patch this in the G2 didn’t seem to work as well. But anyway, I could dust off and polish up my G2 headphone patch for those that are interested…

_________________
varice
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Blue Hell
Site Admin


Joined: Apr 03, 2004
Posts: 20570
Location: The Netherlands, Enschede
Audio files: 148
G2 patch files: 318

PostPosted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 5:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

varice wrote:
I could dust off and polish up my G2 headphone patch for those that are interested…


I'd be intersted to see it - like Albert I use headphones mostly as well.

Edit: and the NM Classic version as well ;-)

_________________
Jan
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
mosc
Site Admin


Joined: Jan 31, 2003
Posts: 17618
Location: Allentown, PA
Audio files: 125
G2 patch files: 60

PostPosted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 1:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

varice wrote:

Does the VST work significantly better than your G2 version?


Yes. The G2 was a first try and the algorithm is very old relative to the plugin. There are other issues with the G2 and feedback which are well know. For me, the experiment was enough to drive my interest to continue research.

There is the free plugin you can try which is better than the G2, a bit. The new plug in is much improved over that though. The new one has the ability to adjust the active parameters. You can control the "phaseness" as you prefer. The "space" control does this.

_________________
--Howard
my music and other stuff
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website AIM Address
dorremifasol



Joined: Sep 28, 2006
Posts: 775
Location: Barcelona, Spain
Audio files: 7
G2 patch files: 47

PostPosted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 9:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

varice wrote:
Stereo headphone listening has a problem that is the opposite of normal stereo speaker listening: a total lack of natural interaural(sp?) crosstalk by sounds that are panned hard left or right.


This is slightly more bearable with open cans, like the AKG K701 I use, absolutely necessary to hear the wife complains. I'm in serious love with these headphones, except that the headband is all the contrary of comfortable. Fortunately it can be somewhat fixed with some foam.

I see wood inside and trees outside, how I envy you!

_________________
Cheers,
Albert
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
3phase



Joined: Jul 27, 2004
Posts: 1152
Location: Berlin
Audio files: 13
G2 patch files: 138

PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 3:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

mosc wrote:
varice wrote:
At the top of the picture is the bottom of the left loudspeaker pair, JBL 250Ti, that I use for listening to stereo music and as studio monitors. Mine are finished in Burmese teak.


Yikes, those speakers are purr-fect for Ambiophonic Stereo and you have the setup space to move them closer together. Get the AmbiophonicDSP and if you don't think it's the greatest thing in audio, I'll refund your $10.00. (Offer applies to everyone else too, for that matter).

http://electro-music.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/114



sounds interesting..to bad that its only windows.. i wonder if it would be suitable for a live pa...
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website
varice



Joined: Dec 29, 2004
Posts: 722
Location: Northeastern shore of Toledo Bend
Audio files: 22
G2 patch files: 49

PostPosted: Mon Apr 09, 2012 9:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

3phase wrote:
mosc wrote:
varice wrote:
At the top of the picture is the bottom of the left loudspeaker pair, JBL 250Ti, that I use for listening to stereo music and as studio monitors. Mine are finished in Burmese teak.


Yikes, those speakers are purr-fect for Ambiophonic Stereo and you have the setup space to move them closer together. Get the AmbiophonicDSP and if you don't think it's the greatest thing in audio, I'll refund your $10.00. (Offer applies to everyone else too, for that matter).

http://electro-music.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/114



sounds interesting..to bad that its only windows.. i wonder if it would be suitable for a live pa...

Probably not. It appears that it is meant to be used by one listener lined up along the center line of two closely spaced stereo speakers. A condition that would not normally occur in a live PA venue.

_________________
varice
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
varice



Joined: Dec 29, 2004
Posts: 722
Location: Northeastern shore of Toledo Bend
Audio files: 22
G2 patch files: 49

PostPosted: Mon Apr 09, 2012 9:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Blue Hell wrote:
varice wrote:
I could dust off and polish up my G2 headphone patch for those that are interested…


I'd be intersted to see it - like Albert I use headphones mostly as well.

Edit: and the NM Classic version as well Wink

A new G2 version of my headphones processor patch is posted here:

http://electro-music.com/forum/post-358486.html#358486

The most up to date G1 version is on my Micro Modular which is still in storage, so I don’t have immediate access to it, but this G2 version is tweaked to sound better than my previous G2 patch work. Wink

_________________
varice
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
3phase



Joined: Jul 27, 2004
Posts: 1152
Location: Berlin
Audio files: 13
G2 patch files: 138

PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 11:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

varice wrote:
A condition that would not normally occur in a live PA venue.


that depends on how you place the speakers...
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic Moderators: Nord Modular Editors
Page 6 of 7 [166 Posts]
View unread posts
View new posts in the last week
Goto page: Previous 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 Next
Mark the topic unread :: View previous topic :: View next topic
 Forum index » Clavia Nord Modular » Nord Modular G2 Discussion
Jump to:  

You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You can download files in this forum
e-m mkii

Please support our site. If you click through and buy from
our affiliate partners, we earn a small commission.


Forum with support of Syndicator RSS
Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2005 phpBB Group
Copyright © 2003 through 2009 by electro-music.com - Conditions Of Use