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PCB layout for (not only) SL-PSU
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 20, 2006 11:31 pm    Post subject: PCB layout for (not only) SL-PSU Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

hi all,

i designed a PCB layout of a small PSU for my soundlab.
it converts 9V AC to +12/-12V DC and +9/-9V DC (approx. 100mA). actually its a counterfeit of the doepfer a100 miniNT.
using a wallwart transformer (9V AC, 500mA) you don't have to care about high voltages!

http://modular.fonik.de/soundlab/sl_psu.pdf

the layout is a positive for press'n'peel blue...

matthias

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 4:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

That looks nice! Do you have a schem you can post of that?

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 4:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

here we go:


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 7:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Kewl, thanks!

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 1:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

where to find wallwart 9v AC.
i got a buch of 9V DC for stompboxes. could i use two of those to get 9V +/- like with batteries..
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 5:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

As long as neither of them are earthed, it would be okay, but not good practice. Use it until you can get a proper +/-PSU happening.
The reasons are a bit involved, but the fact that they need to be not earthed is a worry to start with. If you want a more detailed explanation I'm sure we can get one together ASAP.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 6:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

yes not grounded. buch off boss and korg wall warts are not grounded.. i'm right, right?
thats cool than..until i get propper psu.
doepfer had something like that in their shop. psu using two wall warts..
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 6:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

My Boss one is grounded. But I s'pose it's more than likely a different one to yours. Does it have just two pins plugging into the mains? Or is there a third one? If it has a third one, check with a multimeter that there is no connection from the third one to either of the output wires. Then you should be right to go.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 6:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Hi,
When using this scheme, does it matter if the 9VAC power supply is unregulated?
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 6:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

no third connection to mains. just two.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 7:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Nice Fonik!
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 7:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

AC is never regulated.
Well, not in this sense of the word.

AC is what you get straight off the secondary of a transformer.
Put that through a rectifier and you get a very spikey DC.
Put that across some big caps and the spikes become a ripple.(50Hz hum)
Put this into a regulator and you get regulated DC.

BTW The last 3 are what this circuit does. Smile

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 3:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Uncle Krunkus wrote:
As long as neither of them are earthed, it would be okay, but not good practice..

why it's not good practice? could someone explain?
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 4:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Yes, could someone with a bit more theoretical background please explain this? I have some vague notions about chassis earth and electrical earth conflicting, or the potential for conflicts (pun intended Very Happy ), but I get the feeling there's more to it than that.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 4:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Cheers Uncle K, i have a lot to learn Smile

Fonik, (or anyone else) I'm having problems finding an LM7809 and an LM7909 here in the UK. Do you know a supplier or can you suggest alternative components?

I notice you mention heatsinks on the pdf file - should they go on the LMxxxx parts? Something like this? LINK

I'm also a bit stuck finding 50K pots for the fine tuner mod. Crying or Very sad
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 5:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

The 7808/09 are so standard that you'll find them just about anywhere that sells wire. Very Happy
Where do you get your other components from?
Any TO220 type heatsink should be fine, but like Fonik said, get some of the bigger ones. (BTW heatsinks are usually listed with their thermal resistance value, so learn how to read that. The smaller the value, the better the heatsink, and usually the bigger it's size)

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 5:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I've been using Rapid Electronics. Also tried Maplin and RS Components. And E-Bay. Found something on Farnell, but you need to order at least £20 worth of stuff to use a credit card there...
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 6:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I just checked Rapid Electronics and I can't find them either! Shocked
I checked all over their 1A fixed regulators page, and there are none.
That isn't just weird, it's seriously fucked up.
I'm not sure what to think.
Are 9V regulators prohibited in the UK or something? Rolling Eyes Confused
Hey Tom! (v-un-v) What's going on? Have I slipped into an episode of The Twilight Zone?

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 6:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I just checked Maplin.
None there either.
I'm going to bed before my brain starts dribbling out of my ear! Laughing

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Thanks for looking... So it's not just me then. Shocked Laughing
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 8:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Check RS Components in the UK. http://www.rswww.com and look in their considerable s/transformer/power regulator/ selection.

I found 9V linear regulators there.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 1:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Hi Edison,
If you could post a link that would be great. I'm struggling to find these. Can you suggest alternative components to the ones I mentioned?
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2007 2:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

lemmy wrote:
Hi Edison,
If you could post a link that would be great. I'm struggling to find these. Can you suggest alternative components to the ones I mentioned?


Hi lemmy - trying to post a link in RS' website is difficult as it is session based and the links get convoluted. But I'll walk you to some regulators:

rswww.com -> click on blue "Semiconductors and Optoelectronics"
click on category "Power Supply and Control"
click on category "Voltage Regulators Linear"
on the bottom of the first page, go to page 4.
There are 3 to choose from. But I'd choose the TO-220 MCT7809CT, from ON Semiconductor, as it is the 1A version whilst the others are .1 and .5 respectively.

There might be others lurking in that list, I only went this far. Hope this helps!

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2007 2:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

And for those looking for 9V AC transformers, I noticed that RS Components lists some 9V toroidal 1.6VA transformers for £8.79 apiece, those aren't wall warts, though.

There are, however, 2 listed 9Vac 9VA external wall adaptors listed. Part numbers are 400-6901 and 400-7049.

Again, hope this helps.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2007 3:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Nice one, many thanks.
I found the trick to using their search facility too: change the search type to "Manufact. part number" instead of "keyword". Then you get a useful result for e.g. a "7809" search.
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