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PostPosted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 7:37 pm    Post subject: Does anybody have a simple analog sequencer circuit they are Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Looking to build and analog sequencer to hook up to a bunch of 555 oscillators for some pretty harsh sounds... Anybody have an idea how this would be doable... I was also thinking of investing in one of those highly liquid chips and building a sequencer in MaxMSP then transferring data from Max to the oscillators via midi... would that work?
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 1:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

this is super simple, only one ic ! Smile

http://www.midiwall.com/gear/babyseq/



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 2:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

synth_ollie wrote:
this is super simple, only one ic ! Smile

http://www.midiwall.com/gear/babyseq/



cheers

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Sweet... that is super simple... thanks
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 4:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

That baby sequencer really does, deliver, too. I used one for years!

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 5:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

sorry for not knowing, but what exactly could you do with that, or any type of sequencer? i see that it needs a "clock". it said it's used to control an analog synth. what exactly do they mean by "control"? thanks!
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 7:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

choklitlove wrote:
sorry for not knowing, but what exactly could you do with that, or any type of sequencer? i see that it needs a "clock". it said it's used to control an analog synth. what exactly do they mean by "control"? thanks!


Not sure I fully understand your question but I am going to alter it to control the pitch of some oscilators and some bends ond some circuit bent toys... should end up being pretty noisy... If I understand what your referring to it means you can change a value to which it is assigned... on an analog synth you assign it by sending a banana jack to the appropriate input... So depending on how the a given sound generator or effect is built, you can use it to control any value... Pitch, Modulation... et cetera... You can also use it to close and thusly short a circuit in a circuit bent toy if thats what you so choose to do... Good stuff.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 3:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

synth_ollie wrote:
this is super simple, only one ic ! Smile

http://www.midiwall.com/gear/babyseq/


Wow Shocked that is awesome! Why haven't I thought of that... I'm gonna build one of these. Or two... Cool

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 4:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Well it is simple, like all the typical 4017 sequencers. I´ve got one running and running, and it´s much fun!
But i wouldn´t call it one an ic-project.
I would recomend some buffers as well as some circuitry to controll gates or trigger (with the basic shematic you get a single pulse when all gates are active, one rc and a buffer can give you single pulses for each step. Or and the gates with the clock)

Have a look here, looks a bit more complex, but in fact it isn´t really. And some of that you may not need. There is a clock on the top left. Next to it some circuitry for manual step/reset and for moog-gate. Could go without.
But look at how the 4017 is buffered. As i said, all you need is a clock.
The first step has a puls out, no need for that. I used one resistor for all the leds, makes it a bit simpler.
What´s good is the output mixer. That´s really a lot of fun. You have glide and offset.
That was one of my first projects, build like shit, lying on my desc with a simple square osc and a transistor distortion. Keep me playing for days till i decided i needed filters and stufff - so have fun!!!
http://www.synrise.de/diy/sequenzer/sequenzer.htm

By now this thing has grown huge. 4 rows of gate with variable length, 1-18 or dual 1-10 step mode, idependent clock dividors for each seq. Swingfeel clock, external ins for glide on off, reset and hold - that i can really recomend, it´s so cool.
I just want to point out that this simple design can be developed further and further.
Look at the step pots. add another row in parallel and you get a two chanel sequencer......
Another thing might be the original klee. Only needs few controlls, offering even more fun!

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 9:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

zipzap wrote:
Have a look here, looks a bit more complex, but in fact it isn´t really.... http://www.synrise.de/diy/sequenzer/sequenzer.htm


hadn't seen this before... and in case you missed it, "Platine Bauteileseite" & "Platine Lötseite" are links to stripboard layouts... nice.

ov course, sequencers are Bad, the sounds they produce are Evil, and those that use them are a Pox on Humanity who Hate Music... still, it's a nice little circuit.

b

(if i could tolerate smilies i might have used one in there, but you'll have to guess where and which one...)
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 10:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

zipzap wrote:
Well it is simple, like all the typical 4017 sequencers. I´ve got one running and running, and it´s much fun!
But i wouldn´t call it one an ic-project.
I would recomend some buffers as well as some circuitry to controll gates or trigger (with the basic shematic you get a single pulse when all gates are active, one rc and a buffer can give you single pulses for each step. Or and the gates with the clock)

Have a look here, looks a bit more complex, but in fact it isn´t really. And some of that you may not need. There is a clock on the top left. Next to it some circuitry for manual step/reset and for moog-gate. Could go without.
But look at how the 4017 is buffered. As i said, all you need is a clock.
The first step has a puls out, no need for that. I used one resistor for all the leds, makes it a bit simpler.
What´s good is the output mixer. That´s really a lot of fun. You have glide and offset.
That was one of my first projects, build like shit, lying on my desc with a simple square osc and a transistor distortion. Keep me playing for days till i decided i needed filters and stufff - so have fun!!!
http://www.synrise.de/diy/sequenzer/sequenzer.htm

By now this thing has grown huge. 4 rows of gate with variable length, 1-18 or dual 1-10 step mode, idependent clock dividors for each seq. Swingfeel clock, external ins for glide on off, reset and hold - that i can really recomend, it´s so cool.
I just want to point out that this simple design can be developed further and further.
Look at the step pots. add another row in parallel and you get a two chanel sequencer......
Another thing might be the original klee. Only needs few controlls, offering even more fun!


as for the clock... is this just a 555? I am new to building terms and such? How would that all be hooked up? Is there any easy way to sync up the clock with that from ableton or MaxMsp?
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 1:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

The simple way to sync up the two, would send an audio pulse out, and use that as your clock into this circuit.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 1:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

jksuperstar wrote:
The simple way to sync up the two, would send an audio pulse out, and use that as your clock into this circuit.


That would work, but what if I am using my audio output already and do not have multiple channels... I guess I should explain my setup... I am running mainly ableton as my main host most of the time... I have a very simple midi in midi out interface and 1 input and 1 output on my sound card... Is there any way to sent a pulse that would not require eating up my only output?... I guess I could always look into investing in some kind of midi interface with another audio output channel, but it would be preferable to not have to...
Anyway, is that the only way to send a pulse that would work with this circuit?
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 1:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

The clock can be anything that makes a squarewave between ground and +. If you look at the shematic you can actually start with the 4017 and forget anything above. Just hook a clock to the clock in.
And for trying this you can test without the output stage, just feeding the cv bus (where the pots/diodes are joined) to anything that reacts to cv.
In my first version i built a clock first. Then i build on another stipboard the 4017 with the transistor buffers and wires going to the pots. (in the beginning only 3 pots).
that´s all.
Later i added gateswitches and glide and stuff.
It was really more simple than it looks. I was a reall beginner back then.
CMOS is great. like lego. nothing to worry, everything fits.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 7:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I built two of those baby seqs. I use one super crude version for my testing purposes and it's worked great for me thus far.

Though I'm wondering, would anyone recommend a good op-amp to use for adding glide/range to the CV output or does it not matter that much?
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 4:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

cool it´s working!
If you are using a bipolar supply for the opamp than good old TL084 will be fine in my experiance. Note that only the opamp are powered by v+ and v-. The cmos chips are powered by v+ and ground.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 8:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

how can I connect this sequencer to an atari punk console or a WSG?
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 8:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

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how can I connect this sequencer to an atari punk console or a WSG?

You can't without modifying the APC/WSG as neither of them has any control inputs. I however cannot tell you right now how you might mod them best for control. There is a lot of info on the interweb about modding the WSG. Check out the super modded NoizBox here. It has rough MIDI control.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 09, 2006 3:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

LukeDI wrote:
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how can I connect this sequencer to an atari punk console or a WSG?

You can't without modifying the APC/WSG as neither of them has any control inputs. I however cannot tell you right now how you might mod them best for control. There is a lot of info on the interweb about modding the WSG. Check out the super modded NoizBox here. It has rough MIDI control.


Just because there is no CV in doesn't mean it can't be modefied... you could run the V+ from the atari punk as the power for this and then run the CV out on this to the terminals you would normall connect your pitch pot to... just make sure your getting the same voltage out from the CV on the sequencer that you would normally get between the pitch pot... Add some resistors if needed. Thats how I have used this thing for bending so far.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 09, 2006 12:30 pm    Post subject: A link
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lalito wrote:
how can I connect this sequencer to an atari punk console or a WSG?


Here might be an idea.
Its in German...but the bottom has a 4017 stepper driving either a 4046 (PLL VCO) or just an inverter/ocsillator.

http://www.floka.com/cmos/cmossounds.html

I was playing with something like that earlier, but it was too glidey sounding...but I tend to pick big caps and small resistors when I should
do the opposite.


Posted Image, might have been reduced in size. Click Image to view fullscreen.

Perhaps hooking that up to "Wacky".

In general though, that sequencer is for CV levels and the WSG is
more of a 9 Volt simple design....which is fine by me. Im still
playing around with circuits and learning what they do, so I have
been avoiding such complicated issues like racks, etching
and large shipping charges for all that hardware.

Ill play around with some ideas tonight.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 5:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Nice sequencer, this Baby 10 !
Do you know where I can find a PCB and a component list, because I can't read schematics...

Thanks a lot Wink
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 10:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

noyau wrote:
Nice sequencer, this Baby 10 !
Do you know where I can find a PCB and a component list, because I can't read schematics...

Thanks a lot Wink


Get some Veroboard and knock it up on that. This circuit is easy peasy- and you will learn much in the process too Very Happy

Also learn what the symbols mean. They're not at all difficult. The arrow hitting a wall in a circle for eg is an LED. The jagged edge one is a resistor, the jagged edge with an arrow intersecting it is a potentiometer etc etc. Easy stuff.

HERE YOU GO for starters.

If you are really a novice, forget PCB's for now. Go with a Veroboard Very Happy

Hope that helps Smile
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Oh, thanks a lot, this website is a goldmine, thanks a lot Very Happy
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 12:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I know this is an old thread, but I'm really interested in this:
http://www.synrise.de/diy/sequenzer/sequenzer.htm

But the link doesn't work anymore.............is there an other place to find this information?
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 1:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

What a cool thread. You mean to tell me that's all a Baby 10 is? it's so simple, so elegant. Also I detect rumorings of a Boolean Sequencer in that schematic with the resistors and diodes.

I'd also recommend to anyone who feels they can't read schematics, to learn how to do that because it's a big part of how this hobby is done. v-un-v offers good advice - learn the symbols, then learn how the wires hook them up, go from there.

I'm planning to build a Boolean Sequencer in the next few months to control a Karplus-Strong string synthesis circuit, thus creating a kool noise maker DIY beginner project. That project, however, is just moving from the planning stage to the prototyping stage so it will be a while before it's ready.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 8:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I just built a Baby 10 last week that was cut down to only 8 steps. It's a lot of fun. Although once it starts playing "Baba O'Reilly" and I pull the guitar out I'm pretty much useless for the rest of the day. Definitely a cool project.
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