G2X with Windows Vista ??

nemystic · Joined: Nov 15, 2006 Posts: 8 Location: france

I tried to install the G2X drivers on Windows Vista 64bits, Vista doesn't want to use the WInXp drivers !
Does someone know when Clavia will release the vista drivers ?

Thanks !
Laurent.
http://www.nemystic.net
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elektro80 · Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 1:17 pm Post subject:

Will they ever?

Shocked

Trivia: Keep off Vista for now. It works fine for the PC in the kitchen for finding recipes on the web and such. For serious DAW use and such, stay off the Vista.

nemystic · Joined: Nov 15, 2006 Posts: 8 Location: france

I think Vista is a great OS, since I use Vista 64bits on my PC with Cubase 4 and the Motu UltraLite audio interface, my system is more powerfull and Asio Latence is very low, everythings are better with Vista 64bits.
Some people say that Vista is a "bigbrother" OS, with a lot of Microsoft spywares, I think it's false, it's due to the OS ware between MAC OSX, Linux, and WIndows... WIndos XP had the same problem in 2001...
There is a DRM process with vista, I think it's a good thing for musicians and producers, it's a bad thing for hackers and online piracy !

I hope a clavia driver will be available for Vista, they should, because they continue to sell the G2X, they must provide a Vista driver, don't you think ?

Laurent
http://www.nemystic.net
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SecretAsianMan · Joined: May 11, 2006 Posts: 40 Location: Texas

nemystic · Joined: Nov 15, 2006 Posts: 8 Location: france

The new core of the Vista OS is more powerfull, maybe, the vista 32bits is better than the 64bits ?

Most modern operating systems have built-in support for Compatibility Mode. Microsoft Windows supports this through the Windows on Windows subsystem (WoW). The WOW.DLL converts function arguments from 32-bit to 64-bit and return values from 64-bit to 32-bit. This is a low-overhead conversion, as most of the calculations involve adding leading zeros; the address translation is from flat 32-bit to flat 64-bit

I have 3 OS on my PC, I have A Windows XP PRO SP2 (32 bits), a Windows Vista (64bits) and a Suze Linux 10.1 (64 bits).
I made some comparaisons with the 2 Windows OS, the Asio latence is better with vista, MOTU release special Vista 64 bit drivers for the audio interface, with vista, it seems that USB and Firewire devices eat less CPU !!
I think Vista is better with 2 core CPU, the OS is more optimized for complex architecturs.

Vista is better for the sound management, now it's easy to choose the audio output you want for listening to your MP3s with WMP or WInamp, maybe it's due to the audio driver, I don't know, but for my configuration, Vista is a great OS !

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nemystic · Joined: Nov 15, 2006 Posts: 8 Location: france

blue hell · Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 4:24 am Post subject:

nemystic · Joined: Nov 15, 2006 Posts: 8 Location: france

topsoil2000 · Joined: Oct 03, 2005 Posts: 6 Location: Indiana - USA

I installed the 32 bit version of Vista the other day. I obviously tried to install the driver and got the messaged it wasn't a verified driver. I expected that. I installed it anyway then installed the 1.40 version of the software. Like the guy above, the program loads but no link between the two exists. There is one thing that is interesting though. While in the program, if u unplug the USB cable from the computer, you do get a message from the editor saying the cable is unplugged. I would assume it sees the driver, but can't communicate with it. Sounds like an easy fix to me.
This kind of thing always happens when new OS's come out. I am not totally disappointed yet. I just hope at some juncture in the near future, the driver is fixed. I would hate to be stuck with XP which will progressively get unsupported in the future.

blue hell · Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 9:20 am Post subject:

jamos · Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 12:15 pm Post subject:

The problem with Windows Vista, esp. as regards Clavia, is that Vista now demands that drivers be Microsoft-certified; if they're not, they won't run.

The certification process is expensive and requires many engineer-hours; therefore it's difficult for small companies like Clavia. (Hell, it's difficult for big companies like Creative, but they are at least large enough to have the finances and engineers for the job.) If Clavia wants the G2 to be compatible with Vista - and I hope they do - they will eventually have to bite the bullet and pay for certification.

BTW, on a related topic: this is part of the reason I tend to get a little torqued when I hear people asking for fundamental changes (like sampling) or even less difficult, but still major changes (like more than 8 variations) for the G2. Their engineers have limited time to spend on the G2; if they perceive that the customers are never happy with the G2, because we are asking for so many fundamental changes, they're likely to shift their efforts to other projects (like the organs and other vanilla keyboards) rather than to spend time keeping the G2 up to date.

blue hell · Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 12:47 pm Post subject:

G2egory · Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 1:02 pm Post subject:

This new mandatory driver-certification business practice by microsoft regarding the vista operating system is a way for them to add recurring revenue. Requiring all driver updates to be microsoft-certified will, however, reduce the number of firmware and software updates and lead to wide-spread customer dissatisfaction. I am waiting for this business practice to be discontinued before upgrading to vista. If enough consumers, hardware and software companies say no to continuous certification and hold their ground, microsoft will have to retire this business practice. It has happened before with some of their other ill-conceived business practices.

blue hell · Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 1:09 pm Post subject:

Maybe it's time to wake up some anti-trust authorities ... we got an OS without IE that way ... that is ... the possibility to buy it (at least in this part of the world, but I guess no one does so).

topsoil2000 · Joined: Oct 03, 2005 Posts: 6 Location: Indiana - USA

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Nodular · Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 9:09 am Post subject:

Derek Cook · Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 1:44 pm Post subject:

I'm not convinced yet that Vista gives me anything over XP other than a nicer GUI (but with a huge performance hit), and I certainly don't plan to be "bleeding edge", my music PC is staying a lean and mean XP based system for as long as possible! Smile

Mandated Driver Signing is an huge issue as mentioned above, maybe it's time for people to start thinking about platform neutral technologies again. I'm a huge fan of Java for this, and with modern processors and with the modern Java virtual machines, you're hard pushed to see any speed impact, and of course you only need to write for one "platform".

mosc · Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 1:52 pm Post subject:

I'm no lawyer, but I would think that mandated driver registration would be illegal.

blue hell · Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 1:58 pm Post subject:

jima

I have installed Vista about three or four times now and each time I have felt an overpowering urge to

and de-installed it. It is a sluggish obscenity which in an ideal world would have been exposed on a bare mountain. As to mandatory driver signing - M$ arrogance at it's worst. I don't think that will last long.

Just to rub salt into the wound - I have just got an Amiga 4000 online (thanks, Derek love

) and am forcefully reminded once again how elegance, capability and style don't have to occupy gigabytes of hard disk and RAM. sigh

I expect many will have to bow to the inevitable (including Clavia) but for me XP will rule for some time to come. Heck, my domain controller still runs on NT4 and no way will that get replaced, it's so old now it has become virus-proof Laughing

Derek Cook

T7 · Joined: Jun 19, 2006 Posts: 105 Location: Cali

Anyone contacted Clavia yet?

ian-s · Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 3:02 pm Post subject:

I just spoke to my local computer store. Vista does not require signed drivers.

This must just be a compatibility problem.

Maybe Clavia is waiting for Vista to stabilize. The issue could be a problem with the Microsoft code.

blue hell · Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 3:09 pm Post subject: